510 is Pathetic.

[River]

Yes, I expect to get flamed on this one.

Who could dare to stand against the favorite?

Well, me.

My 510's produce an OK vapor, little throat hit, ZERO flavor (even with High Voltage Drew juice, little lung hit (who rates on this?) and almost NO satisfaction (who rates on this?).

I vape my 510's when my other atties are close to extinction.

How do I spell pathgetic? I spell it "510".

Flame away! (or be truthfull and tell me how your 510's don't really satisfy you).

Rick G. House.

The reason this is such great news for me is because being a noob i have very little experence with vaping and think the 510 is amazing and if the 510 really is not that great then how amazing will it be when i finally do find one i like better?

this is the best news i could possibly get! thanks!

 

[roxinal]

My 510 is a FOG MONSTER!! Especially with 6 volts pushing it. I've only compared it to a 910 and the 510 blew it away! You evidently got hold of some bad attys. I've had some of those myself. That's my ONLY complaint, the quality control of 510 attys is sub-par but with a good one it can't be beat!

I really did like my 510 great throat hit, and great vapor, battery life sucked but I had a pcc so that was great, the only problem I had was the taste the atty seemed to get so hot so fast it burned up the flavor and it kind of tasted burned at times. I have sold all of my stuff to try the kr808-d ( I think that is how it is spelled) great throat hit, great taste, and great vapor (though not as good as a 510) as another member posted to each their own.

 

[Brenden]

I don't like the 510 because when I vape, I like to recreate the experience of smoking analog cigarettes the best I can. The 510 feels like im taking drags from a bic pen, so it was definately not for me!

 

[DonDaBoomVape]

I don't like the 510 because when I vape, I like to recreate the experience of smoking analog cigarettes the best I can. The 510 feels like im taking drags from a bic pen, so it was definately not for me!

If you think the 510 feels like a pen, you should try a DSE801 ("penstyle")!

Seriously, what about the 510 feels like sucking on a bic pen? The fact that (at 112 mm) it is somewhat longer than an analog? The manual button? The color?

If it's a size (and/or manual button) issue, you might want to give one of the super-minis a try. The M702/Revolver Elite (super-mini with a PCC) has gotten a lot of attention recently. I don't happen to like it, but some do. The 98 mm M402 (kid brother to the 108 mm M401) has a proven track record and has just gotten its own PCC. At some point, I might get myself a KR808D-1 short battery for that analog-like experience. [Not sure of its length. My guess is that, with the cartomizer, it would be approximately a 100s analog length, though heavier.]

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

You are exactly correct, Thulium! I've been hanging out in the nic forum, specifically "Nicotine ... are we getting it or not" DVap (a US chemist) has contributed immensely in the area of WTAs.

Snus ... well, I'm reserving that as a last resort. I know it's less harmfull than analogs, but ...


Rick.

Aw, come on over to the darkside, Rick. The rowdy bunch down in the ST forum would love ta have ya. A Swedish snus in the cheek and a little American Scotch snuff up the snotlocker, that 510 will be more than satisfying enough .

 

[Brenden]

Well sir, the 510 is like a bic pen because...

... it is the size of bic pen! it's just a little shorter. Also, it is too heavy to recreate an authentic smoking experience (which is important for me because I am also addicted to the habit.)

As for the 808D supermini, i already have one (from lecig) and I have to say... it's pretty boss.

 

[lhaddix]

Maybe its how you suck it.

 

[rickghouse]

as far as what you're describing here, man, (and i really really don't want to come off like one of these other cats screaming "user error") i can guarantee you that those are a symptom of your atomizer not being wet enough. i started on a 901, then the 801, then tried the 808 carts after having bought an 808 battery for my 901s, and finally got my first 510s a couple weeks ago.. and let me tell you: if i don't get those suckers wet, i get exactly the itchy throat hits that you just described..

Hi, nyx -

I've been dripping a lot, and often get my atties too wet. But still the same problems.

to be clear, my 510s are on a 5V box mod.

I have not tried the 510 @ 5v, but maybe I should. I get zero satisfaction with manual manual batts.

different juices are better/worse at different voltages. the cappuccino i just got from EastMall has no taste what-so-frickin-ever at 3.7V, but through an 801 on my homemade passthrough or my 510 5V box it tastes unbelievably good. the caramel and RY4 i've got, however, are the exact opposite.. at 5V all i taste is an indistinguishable sweetness, but at 3.7V they come alive and leave me savoring every last lungful.

That's interesting, but I have a large variety of liquids from several suppliers, and not one of them gives me any satisfaction in a 510.

i really think you should try changing up your cart-loading or dripping technique before writing the 510 off completely.

I used to do a lot of 510 dripping, but the atties often leaked. So I went to just keeping the poly fill very wet. Either way, 510 = no flavor and no satisfaction.

Thanks for your input, nyx. I can't see why a 510 user would be happy. Two possibilities come to mind. Either the happy users were not really addicted (so anything would work), or maybe I'm just a hopeless case.

Rick.

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Not hopeless, but a PV of any size, shape or voltage using regular e-liquid will never scratch the itch if it's the tobacco alkaloids your body's craving . Some only need the nic, others need the psychoactive chemicals as well and if that's the case the nic liquid will leave you hanging no matter the amount of "fog" or "throat hit" or strength of nicotine.

 

[MHR7331]

Wow this thread is still alive...

User error. +1

 

[rickghouse]

Sounds to me like you got a bad batch of juice and it burnt your coil or something and the guck is stuck on there.

I have juice from several manufacturers. All of them are pathetic in a 510. And yes, I've cleaned my atties, and found no difference.

Tell me how can one atty make something taste different from another?

I can't tell you. I'm not a physicist or a chemist. I can only speak from personal experience. Atties (in my experience) make a huge difference.

Rick you don't seem happy with any combo really so i'm leaning towards operator error.

How else could I operate a 510? Dripping doesn't work, keeping the atties wet doesn't work and cleaning the atties doesn't work.

And if your 510 is so bad why didn't you return it for a replacement if it's faulty?

So should I also return my 801's, 901's & various cartomizer models as faulty? I don't think it's a matter of defects, since so many models and manufacturers are involved.

I continue on my quest for an e-cig that works!

Rick.

 

[rickghouse]

Aw, come on over to the darkside, Rick. The rowdy bunch down in the ST forum would love ta have ya. A Swedish snus in the cheek and a little American Scotch snuff up the snotlocker, that 510 will be more than satisfying enough .

Twisted, you're tempting me big time.

Self control .. kick in. C'mon, I know you're there. Well, at least I think you're there. Maybe I'm kidding myself.



Rick.

 

[kodykills]

I hope you find it Rick. I myself love my 510 but it has some disadvantages. I have came across some bunk attys now and then, but other than that i get huge hits. Biggest ive ever had besides off some kind of mod with a 510 atomizer on it. id just say try to return them. just stay off analogs

 

[BigBaddBossyDogg]

I forgot to mention ... 510's give me a sensation on the exhale that no other e-cig has given me.

It's hard to describe, but I'll try:

• Dry feeling in throat

• irritation in throat

• scratchy, uncomfortable feeling in throat

Strangely, I don't get any of these symptoms from 801's, 901's or any brand of cartomizers.

As I said, 510's are pathetic.

Rick.

Then don't use them. Seems simple enough.

 

[desrtrat]

I respect the fact that you were willing to give your honest opinion knowing that some will crucify you. Having said that, I am a fan of my 510. On a new atomizer, it's a vaping monster. I also have an 801 and a Kissbox. While my Kissbox has the best vapor production, I hate it in the respect that it's hard to find parts for it (other than the Janty site.. if they have any in stock..which is next to never) and when I do find parts, they're way too expensive! The 510 is a close second for vapor and flavor and is my preferred all around every day vapor. I don't know if it's just the 801 that I have, but it sucks. Draw is too hard and vapor is minimal.The only plus to the 801 is battery life isn't bad. Overall I like my 510. Just ordered a SB so it will be interesting to see how the 510 atomizer works with it. I'll probably get the 801 adapter too just to see. Never be shy about sharing your opinion! Everyone is entitled to one. In my mind, that's what this forum is all about! I'll agree to disagree with your opinion on the 510, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. I'll admit that the battery life sucks, but other than that I've been very happy with my 510.

 

[nyx]

I used to do a lot of 510 dripping, but the atties often leaked. So I went to just keeping the poly fill very wet. Either way, 510 = no flavor and no satisfaction.

Thanks for your input, nyx. I can't see why a 510 user would be happy. Two possibilities come to mind. Either the happy users were not really addicted (so anything would work), or maybe I'm just a hopeless case.

Rick.

ewww, well i would suggest that you get rid of that nasty polyfill since it gives me that funktacular itchy/burnt taste on every model of PV, but you seem like you've tried it all already. . . and pretty determined not to be pleased. which, i'm sorry to say, has me leaning toward the latter of the possibilities you mention.. PVs may just be a hopeless avenue for you, man, 'cause i certainly was an addict.. like i said, two packs a day--at least (as in, i bought *at least* a two-pack every day).. i was so hooked, in fact, that i was one of the sad addicts whose body wouldn't function without cigs, *had* to have one soon as i woke up or i couldn't so much as go to the bathroom in the morning.

anyhow, sorry you're having such difficulty finding satisfaction, sir.. they've definitely worked for me--and everyone that i've gotten to try mine has since bought one of their own and dropped the analogs.. so many that i've spent every evening this past week sitting here putting box mods together to send them all as xmas presents ;b

oh well, best of luck to ya, Rick.

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Twisted, you're tempting me big time.

Self control .. kick in. C'mon, I know you're there. Well, at least I think you're there. Maybe I'm kidding myself.



Rick.

Hark........Is that the call of the wild I hear? So that you know, in the last 3 days I've probably not used more than 1ml of liquid....and that was just to satisfy the enjoyable visuals. Listen.....Rick.....Rick.... The alkaloids are crying out your name .

 

[rickghouse]

Hark........Is that the call of the wild I hear? So that you know, in the last 3 days I've probably not used more than 1ml of liquid....and that was just to satisfy the enjoyable visuals. Listen.....Rick.....Rick.... The alkaloids are crying out your name .

Twisted, I am so anxious to see the results of DVap's experiments. If it's the alkaloids that I crave, then my quest will be over. Thanks, Bro!

Rick.

 

[Travis798]

I hate to say it, but with every one of ricks posts that I read, I lean further and further towards user error.

There are a lot of things it can be as far as user error. The way you take a drag. Hitting these like a cig doesn't deliver the best results. A long, light drag is far superior. Cleaning your atomizers probably isn't helping, as thats very hit or miss and most people I've seen tend to have better luck with simply blowing them out or setting them on a paper towel over night. If you drip and flood your atomizer, it's not going to work well and you are probably contributing to gunking up your atty and then seeing poor results even if you do everything right.

Rick, there are too many people happy with the 510 for the problem to be solely with the 510. Granted some people require more throat hit. My brother seems to be one. I'm trying to get him to try e-cigs but he won't continue using them because he says he doesn't get enough throat hit. I've contacted the guy I buy my juice from, Wordup E-Cig Super Store , and he says that he can make some juice that will give him all the throat hit he needs, so we'll see. You might try contacting him, tell him you can't get enough throat hit, and see if he can help you out.

The problem here is either you, a bad atomizer, the juice, or a combination of those. Maybe vaping just isn't for you, but if that is the case, the problem is still you, not the 510.

 

[Snarkyone]

Bah, I threw away my 510 once I switched over to cartomizers. Never cared for it from day one to be honest. I now use GreenCigs and a JuiceBox exclusively. I have no need for anything else and I think I could be very close to being off of those before too long as well. We all have different taste though and that's what makes it frustrating for some people. You have your 510 cheerleaders, your KR808D-2 cheerleaders, and on and on so it is hard to tell fact from fiction. One thing to keep in mind is that everyone has different smoking habits and triggers. If you want to stay on the 510 try kicking up nic level in your juice, you can get some high strength nic mixed with PG or VG unflavored and ready for cutting and mixing to taste.