About atomizers

[imeothanasis]

Some people ask me why I dont make an atomizer. I tried months ago but I didnt manage to make it as I wanted, like easy replaceable coil by the user. Later I wanted to try again but I saw that cartos costs less than 1 dollar, so there is no reason to make one because I would sell coils more expensive than that. With the prices that China gives to all of us it useless to try it.

 

[JBTX1]

Pretty hard to compete with that cheap labor and make a profit these days no doubt.

 

[imeothanasis]

Pretty hard to compete with that cheap labor and make a profit these days no doubt.

Exactly JB. I can make very nice features on GG and I know now how to make an atomizer but is it worth it JB?

 

[Mauvemarauder]

I'd pay more if I knew it would last longer, performed noticably better or pay more initially if it would be cost efficient over time...

 

[imeothanasis]

I'd pay more if I knew it would last longer, performed noticably better or pay more initially if it would be cost efficient over time...

Maybe it will last longer, performance will be a little better but cost would be higher as I see it. If I sell this at e.g. 20 euros then you could buy more than 20 cartos with that money Mau. I think its useless What do you say?

 

[wood_510]

I'd have to agree that cost would not be on your side at the moment Imeo. It would be if we could buy in bulk for better prices but most users probably wouldn't be able to buy enough to keep the price down for you either... I don't know exactly how china does it sometimes but they keep the prices low enough that you almost have to go with their products.. Quality suffers but the price is right.

 

[emonty]

The right dialog with the right people will give us the right atomizers for the right price IMHO....

 

[urbanite]

Unless you can outsource the work and be sure they actually deliver what you design, I wouldn't really bother at this point.

It's nice to have GG branded atoms, to go with the PV range... but probably not worth the hassle... unless of course you can get other vendors to take notice and start OEMing them to have more customers...

I think if you can solve the problem of the silicone thing that separates the anode and cathode on the atom and prone to being pushed in and actually somehow patent the thing, it could be a move in that direction.

 

[Jumi]

I would buy an atomizer specific for AFS that I can repair when it is burned if I could change the resistance (so the TH) by using more or less coil. No problem if it would be more expensive at purchase, but it should be cheap to maintain on the long run.

 

[imeothanasis]

Unless you can outsource the work and be sure they actually deliver what you design, I wouldn't really bother at this point.

It's nice to have GG branded atoms, to go with the PV range... but probably not worth the hassle... unless of course you can get other vendors to take notice and start OEMing them to have more customers...

I think if you can solve the problem of the silicone thing that separates the anode and cathode on the atom and prone to being pushed in and actually somehow patent the thing, it could be a move in that direction.

I have already solved this my good friend urba. I am waiting for the samples, they were shipped to me 2 days ago

 

[imeothanasis]

I would buy an atomizer specific for AFS that I can repair when it is burned if I could change the resistance (so the TH) by using more or less coil. No problem if it would be more expensive at purchase, but it should be cheap to maintain on the long run.

I dont know Jumi. Maybe I will make some of them to see what will happen. I will start in 10 days to make one

 

[imeothanasis]

YouTube - Video 15.wmv

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[keon718nyc]

Cant wait Imeo, Looks perfect for 7.4v!

 

[JBTX1]

Exactly JB. I can make very nice features on GG and I know now how to make an atomizer but is it worth it JB?

My honest opinion is NO it's not worth it. I would tend to think your time is better spent on the GG products. Profitability wise, spending your precious time on a 1 to 2 dollar mark up item just doesnt seem to make sense to me. I have seen Leaford's and other video's of the chinese manufacturing facilities and they have hundreds of employees mass producing the atties and cartos. They purchase huge quantities of materials at bulk pricing. They are set up for a cookie cutter assembley line with employees of a very young age. I'm not referring to child slave labor either. Im sure their pay rate is not much to speak of. I would stick to what you are geared up for and what you excell at and leave the low profit stuff for those that are geared for it. I guess if you were interested in starting up a huge state of the art robotic manufacturing facility, then maybe thats a different story. Thats my answer/opinion to your question my friend. I could be wrong though.....

 

[mikecyber]

I bought my GGTS because:
It's has a simple, yet elegant, design.
There are many configuration options built-in, and a few upgrade options.
If something does break, I can fix it myself.

If you design an atomizer with some of those qualities, I will pay for it.
User replaceable coils is a great idea. If you would offer coils with different gauges of wire, or different number of turns, that would be even better.

 

[imeothanasis]

I bought my GGTS because:
It's has a simple, yet elegant, design.
There are many configuration options built-in, and a few upgrade options.
If something does break, I can fix it myself.

If you design an atomizer with some of those qualities, I will pay for it.
User replaceable coils is a great idea. If you would offer coils with different gauges of wire, or different number of turns, that would be even better.

I can do that mike and I can offer wires in very low prices, like 5 euros each. The first cost of e.g. 20 dollars is one time purchase. And the coil will be very easy to replace it if I do it as I think. But again the cost isnt very high comparing to those cheap things? Imagine me to make coils at 5 euros when the atomizes are getting cheaper and cheaper. I agree with you about quality and about that you can see what you vape inside the atomizer but is it a good move? I really dont know

 

[mre5674]

Imeo,

GG customers, as you know do not mind paying a premium for something that works superior. Look at the initial iatties...At $15.50 per atty, no one had a problem shelling out the money...but were they superior...not IMHO. If you would design and manufacture GG specific atties, have them readily available, And perform with piece of mind in all regards...people would have no problem with the €20 initial, and €5 coils...after all, this is the MOST important aspect for vaping pleasure as well as health.

I was a little confused by the video...would you need to modify the AFS for these potential atties? If so, would it be a simple mod. for us to do after TS AFS release?

 

[mre5674]

And let's not dismiss the fact that it's recyclable...That was one of my most proud things to let go of from somoking...no butts! If we could avoid throwing out atty housings, cartos with god knows what filler inside...Earth conscience is A number one in my book if possible...Make it to work tuned and perfect with the TS AFS, and charge $50 for all I care...Just make it work like the GG...Perfect EVERYTIME ALL THE TIME!

 

[imeothanasis]

Imeo,

GG customers, as you know do not mind paying a premium for something that works superior. Look at the initial iatties...At $15.50 per atty, no one had a problem shelling out the money...but were they superior...not IMHO. If you would design and manufacture GG specific atties, have them readily available, And perform with piece of mind in all regards...people would have no problem with the €20 initial, and €5 coils...after all, this is the MOST important aspect for vaping pleasure as well as health.

I was a little confused by the video...would you need to modify the AFS for these potential atties? If so, would it be a simple mod. for us to do after TS AFS release?

I see your point mwa but I think that its not a good move. Maybe I will think better. As for the current AFS, no modification required, we just have to blow air to feed the atomizer every time liquid is finished. Its like dripping but we dont need bottles, we do it easy only by mouth, no other movement is needed

 

[mre5674]

Ah ha! I get you...it sits in the collector tank ; )

That makes sense...It just needs to produce that famous GG Vapor consistently, taste perfect each hit, and have a consistent TH...

Take a poll, and you'll see that your client base will follow your lead if it is indeed a superior performance ; )