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imeothanasis

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Zai my friend, first of all I want to thank you very much for your post and for all the suggestions you made for an even better GG line. I will try to answer to all of your questions one by one and I hope that you will find my answers satisfactory.

"* I have to remove 3 o-rings from my AFS to stop the leaking, which still hasn't fixed the issue."
3-4 people try GG products before they come to market. I trust their opinions and I ask them about the issues they have with every new product. If 4 people see what I see then I am sure that the product is ok.

"* The threads on the AFS are horribly sharp which is causing these o-rings to get cuts in them. (shouldn't these be filed down!?)"

Threads cant cut o-rings because threads never touch the o-rings. Threads touch only each other. But if you mean the end of a tube that has threads on it (like the AFS tank), then if o-ring is very thin like the one on the big cap then yes it maybe will get cut but if you notice I have file this place. All the other o-rings (exept the one on the brass connector) dont touch sharp surfaces. Lets see them one by one:

o-ring between caps. Its 3mm fat so even if you try to cut it with a knife you will not succeed. Same applies to the o-ring that is near the atomizer threads inside the AFS tank.

o-ring on the tank near the 8 holes. Its 2mm so its very fat but it dont touch any tube end either.

o-ring on the base of the brass connector. Its 2mm think so it can get hurt easily BUT: If your base of AFS tank is sharp then yes this o-ring can be cut. And if its sharp its because I forgot to file yours maybe!. I am very sorry about this.

I know the places on the AFS that can cut an o-ring and this is the only place that can happen. But it will not happen to any other AFS (I hope that I didnt missed another one).

"* I am told to go to a pet store to buy fluval to create my own o-ring to put a "band-aid" on the leaking issue."

I didnt had issues with 4 AFS testers. But when I see that someone has issues, I dont sit and watch. I try to do my best to give solutions. AFS is a revolutionary product that I tried to make it perfect but some units maybe have a problem. I never said that I will not change a problematic unit so feel free to send it back to me, no problem.

* I have to pick out metal shavings from the "laser hole" in the atomizer."

When you make a small hole like that, there is no way to clean the hole. But if you really want to kow what you inhale from those China atties you will be surprised. Ask Vapn what he saw in there. Chemicals that keep atomizer from getting rust!!
I dont mean of course that because China do things like that then I will do the same. You know how much I concern for our health. But I blow the holes with an air pistol and this is the only I can do on those small holes, so if some pieces are still there I cant see them. But now this "issue" is solved because there are no laser holes any more. And I put the word issue in quotas because all atomizers are as clean as they can be, I cant do more things for this.

About beta products: I dont send to market beta products. And when I do it I say it to all people like I did with the V1 AFS that I sold it half the price because I wanted many beta testers for it.

As for the machine-grooved GGTS issue. If you remember I said that I will try to make AFS units to match those grooves but if I cant manage to do this I will shine them. Of course they didnt came out as I wanted so I shine them. Do you think that I wanted to shine them? More money, time and fatigue for me but could I give you a ....y product? No.

Of course I dont take your statments as an insult, you are a GG member and I know that your reasons are pure. And I feel very lucky that I have people here that tells me what really is going on because they force me to make even better and more revolutionary products.

Now lets talk about the leakage issue. I have to say for 3rd time that 4 testers had no leakage issue. But it seems that 4 people arent enough. I have to have more testers in future. As for your unit, I think its better to send it back to me to check it. What do you say Zai?

ps......... try it with a cartomizer and you will solve your problems. If not, then please send it to me to see if something is wrong with the unit
thanks for reading my long post:)
 
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I would certainly recommend trying another atomiser too, some are more leaky than others. I've got a standard SLB 901 in mine at the moment that is performing extremely well. I only tend to have leakage now when I replace the cap on after refilling, but I work around this by either undoing the control ring and blowing out through the holes into a tissue - or by unscrewing the brass part underneath and carefully wiping out the juice collection area in there.

Always going to be teething problems with such a ground-breaking system and this version already fixes some of the issues people had with the version 1.
Rob and I have also been very careful in our descriptions on our site to ensure people know it does have a learning curve in order to get the best out of it.

I just can't believe anyone is still out there messing around with carts and dripping...............:laugh:
 

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I have a not presented small problem: when I unscrew the top cap, it also loosens the atomizer and I always have to empty the liquid and replace the afs again, how can I avoid this?

very easy Lord. You have to screw the atomizer very well on the brass connector. Then you put the o-ring through the atomizer. I hope that I didnt put a different o-ring than the apropriate between caps. Can you do me a favor? Please took off the o-ring that is between caps and the o-ring that is on the base of the atomizer. If they are the same then I made a mistake:(
 

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Thank you so much for your response Imeo...as usual you reach out to your customers and I appreciate that. I have a few questions about Lisa and your suggestions. I thought a new modification was the only way to put a standard 901 atomizer on the AFS? Doesn't the current version only work with the laser hole? Also, how would a cartomizer fit on the AFS? How would liquid get into the cartomizer?? As I've said in the past...I'm very visual so any pictures or videos would be best for me to grasp this idea.

Let me exhaust all my abilities to resolve my leaking issues and I will ship my AFS out to you if I still have problems. I'd hate to be without it though...as I've said, it still beats the hell out of dripping! Would you consider shipping me an AFS that you have tested and I ship you back my AFS if I still have issues after going through all these steps?

FYI - If you need more beta testers in future endeavors, please consider me as a tester. I vape all day everyday and will give my honest opinions (as you may already know) ;)
 

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Thank you so much for your response Imeo...as usual you reach out to your customers and I appreciate that. I have a few questions about Lisa and your suggestions. I thought a new modification was the only way to put a standard 901 atomizer on the AFS? Doesn't the current version only work with the laser hole? Also, how would a cartomizer fit on the AFS? How would liquid get into the cartomizer?? As I've said in the past...I'm very visual so any pictures or videos would be best for me to grasp this idea.

Let me exhaust all my abilities to resolve my leaking issues and I will ship my AFS out to you if I still have problems. I'd hate to be without it though...as I've said, it still beats the hell out of dripping! Would you consider shipping me an AFS that you have tested and I ship you back my AFS if I still have issues after going through all these steps?

FYI - If you need more beta testers in future endeavors, please consider me as a tester. I vape all day everyday and will give my honest opinions (as you may already know) ;)

Any DSE/SLB 901 atomizer will work with the V2 AFS. Imeo atties are not needed, but are recommended. You should use HV 901's at 6 volts and XHV 901's at 7.2 volts.
 

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Zai my friend, the current version works with any 901 atomizer. As for the cartomizer, you have to make your holes until I make my own cartomizers and you will need the new mouthpiece too. As Emonty and Vapn said, you drill a 1mm hole 8mm after the cartomizer's threads. Be careful not to make a deep hole. You have to make a hole until you see the filler inside the carto. Maybe Vapn or Emonty will give you a better help on this.

You will not have any issues with a cartomizer for sure Zai. Just try it and we talk again. And of course I will have you in mind when I will need beta testers because if I satisfy dificult people like you, Emonty and some other friends here then I will satisfy everyone else.:)
 

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No doubt Imeo. If you can get my sign off on a product...you won't need any other testers approval ;-)

What tips/suggestions on using a standard 901 atty? Will it require more "dry inhales" since there is no laser hole? What's advantages/disadvantages are there to using a non-Imeo 901 atty?

I'll make some carts tonight. How many holes should I make in each cart? I'm still waiting on your metal mouthpiece to get in stock at VaporKings.
 

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Thank you so much for your response Imeo...as usual you reach out to your customers and I appreciate that. I have a few questions about Lisa and your suggestions. I thought a new modification was the only way to put a standard 901 atomizer on the AFS? Doesn't the current version only work with the laser hole? Also, how would a cartomizer fit on the AFS? How would liquid get into the cartomizer?? As I've said in the past...I'm very visual so any pictures or videos would be best for me to grasp this idea.

Let me exhaust all my abilities to resolve my leaking issues and I will ship my AFS out to you if I still have problems. I'd hate to be without it though...as I've said, it still beats the hell out of dripping! Would you consider shipping me an AFS that you have tested and I ship you back my AFS if I still have issues after going through all these steps?
Try any standard SLB DSE901 atomiser in your AFS (being sure to use the appropriate model for the voltage you are vaping at). They all should work fine.

As Imeo said, the cartomiser method at the moment requires you to carefully drill a hole, it's tricky because it's easy to catch the internals when you do this. We're working on special cartomisers, but the whole point of Imeo trying so hard to make the device work with standard 901s was because people didn't want to be limited to iAtties only because of their worries about cost and availability. Kind of defeats this effort a little if we then say people should buy our own special cartomisers.......
 

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No doubt Imeo. If you can get my sign off on a product...you won't need any other testers approval ;-)

What tips/suggestions on using a standard 901 atty? Will it require more "dry inhales" since there is no laser hole? What's advantages/disadvantages are there to using a non-Imeo 901 atty?

I'll make some carts tonight. How many holes should I make in each cart? I'm still waiting on your metal mouthpiece to get in stock at VaporKings.
As Lisa said, any SLB atty will work just fine without the need of more dry inhales. There are no disadvantages with a non iatty.

I think that a 1mm hole on a carto is fine.
 

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One hole of 1.5 mm or a little smaller, make it about 8 mm from the threads. I use a dremel tool with a 1.2 mm drill, I then take something a little bigger and make the hole wider, not deeper, that way the liquid can enter the hole easier. Try not to go deeper then the metal, otherwise you will hit the centre. If it does not work first time, try again as they are cheap. It took me three or four until I found the correct way and now I am using one and the same for more then a week without any leaking on 3.7, 5 volts and 6 volts, perfect flavor!!
 
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One hole of 1.5 mm or a little smaller, make it about 8 mm from the threads. I use a dremel tool with a 1.2 mm drill, I then take something a little bigger and make the hole wider, not deeper, that way the liquid can enter the hole easier. Try not to go deeper then the metal, otherwise you will hit the centre. If it does not work first time, try again as they are cheap. It took me three or four until I found the correct way and now I am using one and the same for morethen a week without any leaking on 3.7, 5 volts and 6 volts, perfect flavor!!

I'll make some carts tonight. How many holes should I make in each cart? I'm still waiting on your metal mouthpiece to get in stock at VaporKings.
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I think the hole size will be trial and error. I first drilled a 1.5 mm hole but was getting a dry vape so I enlarged it a bit and no more dry vape. It wasn't burning the filler just a dry taste. I think your vg/pg percentage is going to play a part as well.
 

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very easy Lord. You have to screw the atomizer very well on the brass connector. Then you put the o-ring through the atomizer. I hope that I didnt put a different o-ring than the apropriate between caps. Can you do me a favor? Please took off the o-ring that is between caps and the o-ring that is on the base of the atomizer. If they are the same then I made a mistake:(

ok, I'll do the next "full" and you'll know ...
 

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Yes I have been using the same carto for days now and no burning taste at all. I have one in my beta tank and one in the V2 as well. Both have sorta large holes. I don't drill but poke through after grinding with a dremell. I found that if I drilled I would wind up the filler material around the drill bit if I went the slightest bit too far. I also find that if I push the filler material away from the side wall in the area of the hole I get a little better flow. I use only PG juice and the hole size is about the same as the original hole on the 901. No burnt taste at all unless the tank is dry anyway...
 

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1 hole a little less than 1mm is the best emonty?

One hole of ~ 1.2 to ~1.6mm and then grind it so it becomes wider, but not bigger.
A larger hole will give too much air and a smaller hole will lead to a too tight draw. Using 80/20 PG-VG mix.
 
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One hole of ~ 1.2 to ~1.6mm and then grind it so it becomes wider, but not bigger.
A larger hole will give too much air and a smaller hole will lead to a too tight draw. Using 80/20 PG-VG mix.

I agree. I've tried several and this seems to be the best using 80/20 mix.
 
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