Anyone on ECF recovered from Covid19?

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IF we would stop "slowing" the curve and took care of folks who were older or high risk, instead herd immunity would be reached sooner and less painfully. Honestly. Once you get there, the world gets pretty safe again and although I heard early on you could catch it twice, I am uncertain if that is actually true. I am guessing faulty tests.

We should be watching what's happening in Sweden very carefully. They've not done a "lock down" at all, just voluntary social distancing.

As far as catching it twice, there was a Chinese study that tested antibody in recovered patients. The majority developed antibodies, but there were a small number, about 5% iirc, who had low to no antibodies. My guess is those are ones who potentially could catch it twice.
 

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at the moment, global death rate for the confirmed covid cases with an outcome is 18%+ (was 20% few days ago). Is it not enough to convince you?

The key there is "with an outcome". I don't believe any country is tracking and confirming recoveries well enough for that statistic to be worth a damn.
 

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I really think tracking should be attempted everywhere, but with more transparency and honesty.

I got tested today and I still feel about the same level of awful.p

However, if I DO test positive I am going to dentate to the serum fund, once I am well enough. So few confirmed cases in AZ, it is REALLY hard tor get that treatment and like some people on meds can't do the other one, released today. So you bet I will give back to the community at large, because it is a useful treatment.

We need serum tests too, because a TON of Arizona IS like Appalachian in nature. They get sick they don't even consult a doctor until they are DYING. Which is what it is, but our numbers are probably rather unreasonably low.

There is another explanation proposed I think having to do with strength of T Cell response and squashing the virus so fast, there aren't antibodies. Those folks would actually be less likely to get it twice or if they do it's like um, equally as harmless to them, don't know how contagious it is, but they pretty much don't stop. I wish my T cells were like that but I am old ex smoker. I am acutually pretty robust physically and my o2 sats have not gone below 96 so I am good for now. Mostly they are at like 98ish. We'll see.

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Kentucky death rate April 29

Carona deaths: 224
Confirmed cases: 4375
Death rate: 0.0512
About 1/2 of 1 percent

And if numbers out of California are are correct the actual number of cases may well be far larger with most being asymptomatic or "flu like". Dr Rirx has instructed those completing death certificates to re-examine them and, in essence, pad the numbers. Add to that the global death rate, in my not very humble opinion, is not relevant to me, I live and will be medically treated, if required, in Kentucky.

So I look at the numerator and denominator for ole KY and I have a tendency to believe that we have been sold a statistical load of unmentionable substances.
That death rate number is 5.12%, not 0.0512%.
 

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"We need everyone who has reasonable suspicion of exposure to be able to get a test," said Malia Jones, a social epidemiologist and assistant scientist in health geography at the Applied Population Laboratory at UW-Madison. "If I found out that my neighbor two doors down tested positive and he walks his dog past my house every day, I should be able to get a test."
Experts split on whether Wisconsin should reopen on a regional basis

This is somebody who should know better than to think that such a non-exposure has any realistic risk of contagion.
 
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That's how epidemiologists are, and how they are trained. They are not trained to think in nuance and/or how their pretty single-minded directives (which are targeted, exclusively, to avoid spread.) I get it, and trained the way they are, this is how they think. I was rereading my sister's article where the head of one of Seattle's Epidemiology Intelligence Service was quoted on multiple occasions on the need to "incite paranoia."

I don't really like that much because they're trained to be excessive extremists, and in a pandemic this can be a good thing. But they are NOT trained to see beyond the end of their nose, without any thought to where their actions might lead us next. It is a single-minded focus and to be fair, there are times it's needed. There are also various other approaches which can be observed. The bottom line though is our country did a very poor, after the fact, sort of halfway job of it. I get Seattle has way less deaths, but what is the next step now everyone is housebound? Less illness== less immunity. I don't personally know where to draw the line.

But, I LOVED the article I clicked on next:

How Does the Coronavirus Behave Inside a Patient?

This is a far more nuanced approach than epidimiology. It's also highly useful in allowing people to get through this sucker and it's written by an ONCOLOGIST who understands the use of tracking markers VERY thoroughly IN the body, not just positive or negative.

Whether this is a "pandemic" or not, I think it's information well worth pondering and heeding for the next one that comes. Because they do, and we aren't good at them at ALL. God help us if we DO get a very fatal one.

The bottom line is illnesses spread very rapidly across the world these days, and there are certainly indicators social distancing can save lives in COVID initially, as can masks and gloves etc. I am not arguing the truth or lies about that. HOWEVER, I don't know how static our country can get. I do think overall, the parts of the country recommending it, closing schools, and etc., well they had the best outcomes for NOW.

However, the remainder which is what Public Health is about, is how do we get people back out (or keep those HAVING to be out like healthcare workers) without necessary PPD equipment safer. The article there is an interesting look about the dose making the poison.

So, in theory, we could expose most not exposed in the gentlest of fashions and immunity could spread, without deaths. India has some interesting approaches I guess and if they are doing what they did with smallpox I very much doubt they'd be letting us know, etc. Probably because the WHO would mobilize military force to stop them.

I'm not much better or worse, symptomatically to be honest, other than more tired with every passing day. I hear my next 4 days should determine if I am hospitalized or not. I've pretty much given up on daytime Tylenol for me because it makes little difference so I'd rather save my liver. Tylenol has never done much for me so I take it at night only so the chills and shakes don't keep me up. In a few days, I will probably switch to Advil which has seemed to work better for me.

I don't really "get" keeping your temp down actually I thought it was better to let your body have at it but actually my headache got so bad I was like, "damn it" and just took some Advil because frankly I have never had a temperature day and night for this long of a time. I kind of feel like my body needs a break and my headache is impossible to manage.

So it is what it is and my guess is it will work better. I should know in an hour or two.

I still don't feel anywhere near death and like, that's good. I've been sleeping a bunch and well life is somewhat burdensome. We can't stay cloistered forever. Either my husband has gotten it asymptomatically or he hasn't gotten it yet. Other than your normal precautions, eh. He probably has those killer T cells.

I usually fight off infections fast but like, I have been trying to restore my iron levels with probably intermittent success. I was fine until my work doctor put me on Synthroid 8 months ago but well, since stopping it this is the first normal period I have had, working out my natural thyroid back to normal. I'm guessing that is making it worse for me, but I was having periods like the red sea every two weeks and I told her and she did not care. She did not care until she put me into full on TSH suppression with a super high T4. "Wait for the bloodwork." Uh huh. I was not anemic before then and now I am, been taking b12 and eating liver because frankly I can't take iron pills for a multitude of reasons.

It's a PITA but more in a marathon not a sprint way. And I am fairly certain I was asymptomatic long before this started to go down. I just, am very tired, but have nothing indicating I need to go the hospital. It's just gonna suck for a while is my prediction.

I will certainly say I have been wrong before and could be again.

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    I just, am very tired, but have nothing indicating I need to go the hospital. It's just gonna suck for a while is my prediction

    next few days I believe you should check your oxy/temp more frequently, it was reported that most people who had to go to the hospitals got worsen on the 5-9th day from the start of their symptoms.
     

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    Oh believe me I have been checking it. Tylenol/Advil whatnot, my temp will not go below like 99.8 or so. I have a lower than normal temp so going over 100 just sucks for me and I mostly have.

    I actually feel marginally better today, but like if it's the calm before the storm, I will still be checking. As an "almost" COPD person I catch pneumonia in a flash. That's why I've been letting my temp do its thing but holy god, yesterday I couldn't take the headache one more moment.

    Believe me the second I think I am starting to contract pneumonia or otherwise go south I will head for the hospital although I might shoot for Sierra Vista rather than Douglas. It's only an hour drive away etc.

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    Some people just catch it and get sick right away.

    Some folks who catch it just have this severe marathon of illness like 4--6 weeks but it doesn't get bad enough for being hospitalized.

    Some people realize they are sick for 2--3 weeks and then catch secondary infections. Then they can get really sick or whatnot.

    Some people are like, totally asymptomatic.

    I have a feeling it includes a lot of factors including overall health, age, some people are claiming it affects certain cultural/ethnic ideas and whatever but IDK about all that.

    It's all so fuzzy and stuff, it's like, forget it.

    If I die, this is OBVIOUSLY my funeral song.



    I seem to be in the "I feel like crap but like whatever." As of yet. Today my 02 sats went down slightly but meh, I am not near death although sometimes I WAS because I don't want to deal with this anymore. It's been almost about 2 weeks I think and NONE of my numbers fever/pulse/02 have substantially changed. The lowest my 02 has gone is like 95 and frankly I feel like I got one foot in the grave but well what can you do?

    Still trying to minimize the Advil but man. Part of me is like, "Just make yourself comfortable as you hang out with one foot in the grave" but I think too much of it might mask symptoms. I don't know why I think that, nothing I take has made ANY kind of difference in my temp or brought it below like 99.7 or so (without it is like around 100 something.)

    I cannot begin to describe how bad I feel and how tired I have gotten the longer it's gone on. For me it's a marathon not a sprint, but I am so lucky to have a healthy husband (who is 55 and has smoked since age 8.)

    My theory is I had a much higher viral load because I went to my pediatric clinic every day but I did what was recommended and like, shoved my clothes in a sealed bin and headed directly to the shower every day etc. But WHO KNOWS?

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    The first time I "got" a symptom was when I went to go get some stuff for work. They test everyone and if you are 100 or above, you can't work or enter. I was at 99.9 so I was ah in luck.

    I will say, I felt crappy days before that, but I was trying to complete a task with not really enough time to do it, to which I attributed my "yuck."

    So I was like "Oh great" but I still didn't feel SUPERBAD until a few days later. I woke up choking and coughed a LOT it took albuterol twice, 5 minutes apart to like tame it. I felt so bad I took my temp and it was high, and well, I made a telemedicine appt at once. The doctor said I sounded "textbook" and like, she was really hoping I could go to an urgent care for a test but I was like, "Hospital only I think." She was like, "No go there if you think you are dying." A few days later I felt so bad and AZ was relaxing its stance on tests, so I did telemedicine with my work (HR told me they could "do nothing" and the "Company Expert was like NO go get tested a day after when I was like, "HR is not looking for my best interests.") So I made an appointment and got tested Friday, I don't get the results until tomorrow maybe.

    I kind of wish I had done it elsewhere, even if I had to drive, My work has been super shady of late. I'm not sure I don't trust them not to have taken swabs and dropped them in bleach..

    IDK I guess I could test elsewhere, but it's mainly symptoms convincing me at this point. THE WORST flu I have ever gotten did not las as long as this one and the weirdo symptoms are convincing me (unusually high pulse, nothing really bringing my fever down much for this long a time, o2 sats dropping without Albuterol, intermittent chest pain. OH MY GOD the aches and pains. I also have gastro stuff (mostly ........ and I tend to be extremely the opposite actually and I am taking several additional meds that can cause constipation) so like, IDK I guess I will "find out' tomorrow, If I don't get better I could see blitz testing but OMG the drive.

    I would pretty much sleep round the clock so there is that. I have read first person accounts and most people mediumly sick seem to have many of these symptoms.

    Plus I was in daily contact with a TON of kids and families and I'm quite sure many were incubating. I think it sneaks up on you unless you are super unlucky,

    The first doctor I saw named me "presumptive positive" and forbade me from leaving the house until 14 days or 72 hours after normal temp on no meds, and no other symptoms. So, IDK.

    Guess I will see. I actually do mistrust my employer enough to like, test again if it comes back negative. That is sad and sorry to say but I will say, they are being shady with me.

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    The first time I "got" a symptom was when I went to go get some stuff for work. They test everyone and if you are 100 or above, you can't work or enter. I was at 99.9 so I was ah in luck.

    I will say, I felt crappy days before that, but I was trying to complete a task with not really enough time to do it, to which I attributed my "yuck."

    So I was like "Oh great" but I still didn't feel SUPERBAD until a few days later. I woke up choking and coughed a LOT it took albuterol twice, 5 minutes apart to like tame it. I felt so bad I took my temp and it was high, and well, I made a telemedicine appt at once. The doctor said I sounded "textbook" and like, she was really hoping I could go to an urgent care for a test but I was like, "Hospital only I think." She was like, "No go there if you think you are dying." A few days later I felt so bad and AZ was relaxing its stance on tests, so I did telemedicine with my work (HR told me they could "do nothing" and the "Company Expert was like NO go get tested a day after when I was like, "HR is not looking for my best interests.") So I made an appointment and got tested Friday, I don't get the results until tomorrow maybe.

    I kind of wish I had done it elsewhere, even if I had to drive, My work has been super shady of late. I'm not sure I don't trust them not to have taken swabs and dropped them in bleach..

    IDK I guess I could test elsewhere, but it's mainly symptoms convincing me at this point. THE WORST flu I have ever gotten did not las as long as this one and the weirdo symptoms are convincing me (unusually high pulse, nothing really bringing my fever down much for this long a time, o2 sats dropping without Albuterol, intermittent chest pain. OH MY GOD the aches and pains. I also have gastro stuff (mostly ........ and I tend to be extremely the opposite actually and I am taking several additional meds that can cause constipation) so like, IDK I guess I will "find out' tomorrow, If I don't get better I could see blitz testing but OMG the drive.

    I would pretty much sleep round the clock so there is that. I have read first person accounts and most people mediumly sick seem to have many of these symptoms.

    Plus I was in daily contact with a TON of kids and families and I'm quite sure many were incubating. I think it sneaks up on you unless you are super unlucky,

    The first doctor I saw named me "presumptive positive" and forbade me from leaving the house until 14 days or 72 hours after normal temp on no meds, and no other symptoms. So, IDK.

    Guess I will see. I actually do mistrust my employer enough to like, test again if it comes back negative. That is sad and sorry to say but I will say, they are being shady with me.

    Anna
    Thanks for sharing. Please take care! I'm worried about getting it. I'm trying to stay safe but this virus is more airborne than what was originally touted. My job is getting impatient since I'm on a medical leave. However, they are cheap and won't provide PPE. I work LTC/Rehab nursing.
     
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    The first doctor I saw named me "presumptive positive" and forbade me from leaving the house until 14 days or 72 hours after normal temp on no meds, and no other symptoms. So, IDK.

    Guess I will see. I actually do mistrust my employer enough to like, test again if it comes back negative. That is sad and sorry to say but I will say, they are being shady with me.

    Anna
    I can only wish you the best of luck.
     

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    I am fairly sure it will be fine. I'm just so sick of getting up and feeling the same and spending all morning TRYING to deal with my STD paperwork and feeling like smeared paint, well I finally called the STD company myself and got the answer in like 2 minutes I HATE my HR lady with a burning passion and well, I think she feels the same. She really hates me repeating her mistakes, over and over by email. Then I get a "please correspond directly with me." Then I go, "Oh so sorry I would only you seem to be forgetting my questions like you "forgot" my FMAL so I need to resort to emailing your juniors. Seriously and I swear to GOD I don't even.... I almost WISH they would fire me because I would SUE them to the ends of the earth holy GOD I would but I hear it is unpleasant and a double edged sword. Etc.

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    However, they are cheap and won't provide PPE. I work LTC/Rehab nursing.

    That really sucks. If you can get your own N95 mask, there is a method to disinfect them I think.

    I had PLENTY of PPD at home from being an acupuncture detox specialist, but I sort of felt like, meh, I would feel AWFUL coming in with all this stuff and NOT giving it to the medical assistants who were running out of gloves.

    The husband found a giant box of unused N96 masks but we were not allowed to use them "due to the discomfort of families." This was before everyone was like "go go USA masks" and whatever. So we got ONE of the paper masks daily and shoving it in and out of like a paper bag caused me grave distress.

    IDK if they are being cheap (I mean that field notoriously is) but my job is so out of PPD they are taking donations of homemade masks to give to PATIENTS they can, uh wash.

    The whole thing is just so depressing. I did bring in my gloves but gave them to the MAs because you just don't ration gloves. I'm sorry but you shouldn't especially in an under like age 5 clinic where you are seeing 'well-childs" (and all their relatives god knows what they were incubating.)

    Maybe I should have demanded the mask and gloves but no one was prepared for this, as ALWAYS. I wish some USEFUL USA agency would create A GIANT stockpile of it and give it out as needed, we will always be at risk of pandemics and frankly... In medicine it is your ONLY line of defense at first. That and rotation of in office vs telehealth visits, to decrease amount of exposure. All the "healthy" well people who died were on the front lines 24-7 and seeing very ill patients with not enough PPD.

    PPD is around for a reason: stopping the transmission of like DAMN bacteria and viruses.

    I was a lot younger but when I was pregnant I worked for a genetics company, human genome sequencing. The acrylamide gels we used were mutagens. You should have seen me swaddled up all morning dealing with my gels. EVERYONE made sure I was properly protected (pregnant or not.)

    Sigh. They wanted to pay me to get my masters in Bio and eventually a PhD to make me a researcher. I was, prior to the fine tremor and all that, the ultimate technician. My sequencing was usually about 15% clearer and more accurate than anyone else's. I just did not want to go to school, work full time, and take care of a kid but I was making more doing THAT in the dang late 90s than I was until quite recently. IDK I'm more of a science technician although IDK I'm sure I could have made a useful researcher, But all that playing around in my dad's lab as a kid, meh.

    Oh well, I'm off to the lands of rurality and working for the Indian Health Service if I don't die. I love that agency and working with tribes in general.

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