Are Cloud Chasers Posers?

[alicewonderland]

there will always be stuff like this.

well, i remember a few years back when stuff like that didnt exist, back when there was no subohming and we vaped out of cigalikes and egos , not enough vapor visuals (clouds) to interest the youngsters, and no real huge campaigns or ads lik that. Now we have subohming, and that stuff, correlation perhaps? vaping wasnt as popular due to there not being enough vapor, now vaping is popular majorily because of of the plumes subohm builds can create, people even vape just because of that fact, and also even go further to vape due solely to that fact (100%VG/0% nicotine vapers). Cause and effect. Not saying it's a bad thing, as the visuals were a key fact to helping me quit smoking, but it is there, and it wasnt before. All in all we are cutting into profits of BT, and they are using it against us.

 

[Maiar]

As long as you're being responsible and not giving anyone ammo to use to try and ban all vaping, I have an empty box of ....s I give about what anyone else is doing. lol.

 

[alicewonderland]

As long as you're being responsible and not giving anyone ammo to use to try and ban all vaping, I have an empty box of ....s I give about what anyone else is doing. lol.

I wonder if there is like an anti-vaping forum akin to ECF. If there was I wonder what they would be talking about lol.

 

[freeall]

Cloud chasing isn't the problem. It's the way people express it and flaunt it that bothers most people. You wanna spin your tires? Go for it, but don't do it in front of a crowd of people just to show off. Go find an empty parking lot and do it.

 

[Hannypoo]

I, personally, don't "chase" clouds, but seriously... who doesn't like a big cloud? They're fun.

 

[InTheShade]

Cloud chasing isn't the problem. It's the way people express it and flaunt it that bothers most people. You wanna spin your tires? Go for it, but don't do it in front of a crowd of people just to show off. Go find an empty parking lot and do it.

Judging cloud chasers isn't the problem. It's the way people express it and flaunt it that bothers most people.

You wanna spin your opinions? Go for it, but don't do it in front of a crowd of people just to show off. Go find an empty thread and do it.

 

[Oberon75]

well, i remember a few years back when stuff like that didnt exist, back when there was no subohming and we vaped out of cigalikes and egos , not enough vapor visuals (clouds) to interest the youngsters, and no real huge campaigns or ads lik that. Now we have subohming, and that stuff, correlation perhaps? Vaping wasnt as popular due to there not being enough vapor, now vaping is popular majorily because of of the plumes subohm builds can create, people even vape just because of that fact, and also even go further to vape due solely to that fact (100%VG/0% nicotine vapers). Cause and effect. Not saying it's a bad thing, as the visuals were a key fact to helping me quit smoking, but it is there, and it wasnt before. All in all we are cutting into profits of BT, and they are using it against us.

Here's the thing though. The youngsters who aren't of age aren't really the ones with the sub-ohm setups and these are not the arguments the anti vaping brigade is even using.

When the propaganda didn't exist, you didn't have eGos sold for $15 in gas stations or the flood of vendors making hundreds of flavors.

The ANTZ aren't talking about clouds. Only this community is. The Antz are talking about bubble gum and gummy bear which the kids are vaping through their little eGos sold to them at the exact same convenience stores that used to sell me cigarettes when I was 14.

According to my son, about half of his middle school vapes. Not a single one has a mod box though because these are exclusive to vape mail to their parents house or the B&M's because it's harder for a teen to go in there then it is to get in a bar. Every one of them have the same kind of setup you were using a few years ago.

So I think people here are barking up the wrong tree because the sub-ohmers are not the problem. If you really want the ANTZ off your back, vape tobacco and menthol only. Otherwise you are no different from the rest of us. You just use less of a delivery method then I do.

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[alicewonderland]

Here's the thing though. The youngsters who aren't of age aren't really the ones with the sub-ohm setups and these are not the arguments the anti vaping brigade is even using.

When the propaganda didn't exist, you didn't have eGos sold for $15 in gas stations or the flood of vendors making hundreds of flavors.

The ANTZ aren't talking about clouds. Only this community is. The Antz are talking about bubble gum and gummy bear which the kids are vaping through their little eGos sold to them at the exact same convenience stores that used to sell me cigarettes when I was 14.

According to my son, about half of his middle school vapes. Not a single one has a mod box though because these are exclusive to vape mail to their parents house or the B&M's because it's harder for a teen to go in there then it is to get in a bar. Every one of them have the same kind of setup you were using a few years ago.

So I think people here are barking up the wrong tree because the sub-ohmers are not the problem. If you really want the ANTZ off your back, vape tobacco and menthol only. Otherwise you are no different from the rest of us. You just use less of a delivery method then I do.

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i didnt see people complaining about subohming, just saying people shouldnt push the envelope and be excessively rude in public with their vapor. The fact they happen to be subohming just goes hand in hand. It's akin to someone calling people racist because they hate somebody, he doesn't hate that guy because of his race, he hates him because he is rude, the fact that he is that certain race is irrelevant. This is yet another thread to bash on people who barely even exist The anti-bashers are actually doing more bashing than the minority who barely post! It is more complaining about people bashing them, then the actual bashing that isnt even going on! Who needs to troll when you do it to yourself?

I can see it now, all the banned trolls rolling over in their graves.

 

[Ryedan]

I'm tired of reading about how people are tired of reading about what other people are doing. Don't like it? Don't post about it. Good or bad, right or wrong, everyone has an opinion.

So why did you post about it

 

[sonicbomb]

At OPs original thread title ~ Not necessarily, but they can be.
I think there's an exhibitionist element to anyone who wants to participate in any competition, and be 'seen' to be the best at something. Humans are competitive by nature. I think if you put two people in an empty box, eventually they would start arguing about who could could take the biggest lungful of air.

Vaping for me is something I do rather than smoking cigarettes. An added benefit being that I absolutely love it, way more than I ever did smoking.
To me blowing out a plume of vapor is THE most important aspect if providing satisfaction, way more than the nicotine. From my first crappy cigalike over four years ago, I was always on a mission to produce more vapor. Because I found it more satisfying, ergo less reason to start smoking again.

I first found out about RDAs and mechs by seeing the video I posted below. My first reaction wasn't how cool they looked, but what gear are they were using to get that much vapor, and that I wanted it too. I have done some builds that made monstrous clouds, which can be fun, but for me it's all about density, taste, throat hit and satisfaction, not purely volume. I would never compete in a comp, but I'm glad they exist because there's a chance I would still be struggling with a bloody EGO without them.

 

[IgnorantCig]

There's been some good replies here I feel, and I've learned a few things about the topic that I didn't know before.

And just for the record, I don't have anything against people who like to make big clouds. People are of course free to vape however they please. Who knows, maybe I'll eventually upgrade my gear and I'll be the one blowing out gigantic clouds in 6 months time from now?

 

[alicewonderland]

There's been some good replies here I feel, and I've learned a few things about the topic that I didn't know before.

And just for the record, I don't have anything against people who like to make big clouds. People are of course free to vape however they please. Who knows, maybe I'll eventually upgrade my gear and I'll be the one blowing out gigantic clouds in 6 months time from now?

just dont do it in front of the man in a confrontational way with a 'stick it to the man!' attitude. Just makes the job tougher for the people who are fighting for our rights with data, methods and reasoning other than "because I can". For most of us, our rights to vape is still there, there is no reason to give them a reason to take away our rights until they do.

 

[Froth]

cloud chasers are vapers too.

Best post in the thread IMO, We're never going to win the fight if we're always fighting amongst ourselves! We're all vaping, lets just vape and move along...

 

[jseah]

Here's the thing though. The youngsters who aren't of age aren't really the ones with the sub-ohm setups and these are not the arguments the anti vaping brigade is even using.

When the propaganda didn't exist, you didn't have eGos sold for $15 in gas stations or the flood of vendors making hundreds of flavors.

The ANTZ aren't talking about clouds. Only this community is. The Antz are talking about bubble gum and gummy bear which the kids are vaping through their little eGos sold to them at the exact same convenience stores that used to sell me cigarettes when I was 14.

According to my son, about half of his middle school vapes. Not a single one has a mod box though because these are exclusive to vape mail to their parents house or the B&M's because it's harder for a teen to go in there then it is to get in a bar. Every one of them have the same kind of setup you were using a few years ago.

So I think people here are barking up the wrong tree because the sub-ohmers are not the problem. If you really want the ANTZ off your back, vape tobacco and menthol only. Otherwise you are no different from the rest of us. You just use less of a delivery method then I do.

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It sounds like the solution is to crack down on people who makes vaping gear available to kids then. It seems to me that the self-governing that the industry is doing by restricting purchases to adults is working and the outliers are the convenience stores that don't care who buys their stuff, as long as the buy it. I would be willing to bet that those same convenience stores have no problems in letting kids buy cigarettes or beer either.

 

[MrStik]

I think it's hilarious personally, I don't think of them as posers, but in regards to the folks attending these competitions I do wonder about their sense of dignity I guess, haha.

I will say that I seriously question the judgement of non-smokers that start vaping, if I'd never been a smoker vaping would have no purpose for me, and this gives the government another excuse to "regulate" vaping more and more. The sad truth is that ignorant and insecure young people are attracted to the shiny and gaudy look of mech mods and big clouds, and now we have B&M's with zero concern for battery safety sending these young {Moderated} on their way with their new "toys".

If you can question the judgement of non smokers, I will question your judgement of being a smoker. Being a non-smoker who started smoking and now having to vape to stop smoking is pretty lame don't you think?

It's the sad truth that ignorant and insecure people who started smoking in the first place that made vaping available to those "ignorant and insecure" young people in the first place. If you never started smoking, these kids would be better off.

 

[Robino1]

It sounds like the solution is to crack down on people who makes vaping gear available to kids then. It seems to me that the self-governing that the industry is doing by restricting purchases to adults is working and the outliers are the convenience stores that don't care who buys their stuff, as long as the buy it. I would be willing to bet that those same convenience stores have no problems in letting kids buy cigarettes or beer either.

I wonder if those ecigs that kids are getting their hands on are the BT ones? Not to open another can of worms here, it just makes one wonder...

Yet, some legislation that is trying to get passed, is exempting BT's proprietary closed systems because they can't be tampered with... things that make you go "Hmmmm?"

 

[Bad Ninja]

It's the sad truth that ignorant and insecure people {moderated} who started smoking in the first place that made vaping available to those "ignorant and insecure" young people in the first place. If you never started smoking, these kids would be better off.

No, greedy retailers who break the law make e cigs/vaping available to minors.
We already have laws preventing this, but law enforcement is apparently too busy to enforce such laws.
Not enough action or accolades, I guess.....

Place the blame where it belongs.

 

[tj99959]

For me cloud chasing is stupid. Said with a heavy dose of YMMV.

Kids today get e-cigs the same way that most of us use to get a 6 pack.

 

[Bad Ninja]

For me cloud chasing is stupid. Said with a heavy dose of YMMV.

Kids today get e-cigs the same way that most of us use to get a 6 pack.

Aww shucks......I couldn't be a cloud chaser.
I can't grow a convincing neck beard, or wear t shirts 2 sizes too small.
I can't fit into my wife's skinny jeans and my .... gets cold when my pants sag like a plumber.

 

[tj99959]

Aww shucks......I couldn't be a cloud chaser.
I can't grow a convincing neck beard, or wear t shirts 2 sizes too small.
I can't fit into my wife's skinny jeans and my .... gets cold when my pants sag like a plumber.

She can't either