Are you done stocking up?

[NolaMel]

If you're confident this is true, then there's little reason to stockpile.

Me personally, I'm not at all confident in that, so I've made darn sure that I'll never be in s position where I can't vape.


Depends on the mods. I use mechanical squonkers that I fully expect to out-last me.


Nic doesn't take up much space. 1 cubic foot equals 28-point-some liters. Yes, of course the space-efficiency of round glass bottles is far less than 100%, but still, a single cubic foot should easily hold a lifetime supply.

Apparently, I need you to come rearrange my freezer!!! I have ten litres, I think, broken down into 125ml ambers. I’ll use my rda/rta tanks until I can’t build any more. I do have about 40 boxes of zenith coils. I like the tank, and should they even discontinue the coils, I have enough to get through my dotage. A couple of mechs for backup. What I don’t have is vg and pg... hope I’m not taking a gamble

 

[Zazie]

If you're confident this is true, then there's little reason to stockpile.

I am. I quit for eleven years at one point, with little suffering, and in the ten years before picking up vaping I smoked only occasionally, often with gaps of months between indulgences.

Depends on the mods. I use mechanical squonkers that I fully expect to out-last me.

See, it's the electronics that worry me.

Nic doesn't take up much space. 1 cubic foot equals 28-point-some liters. Yes, of course the space-efficiency of round glass bottles is far less than 100%, but still, a single cubic foot should easily hold a lifetime supply.

I'd probably need only four liters at 100mgs/ml. The thing is, though I have a large chest freezer, I buy meat in bulk and put produce by for the winter. Plus I tend to cook as though I'm feeding an army and freeze the excess for when I'm feeling lazy. Even a mere forty 100ml bottles (since I lean toward transferring from the original containers) could pose problems, especially since I'd want to sequester them in something rigid to forestall breakage. Still, if prudence wins, I'll find a way.

 

[DaveP]

I haven't seen anything from the FDA directly addressing the availability of 100mg/ml nicotine for DIY. They are talking about reducing the nicotine content of tobacco used in combustible cigarettes. Anyone seeing an FDA intent to control DIY nicotine?

They seem to be more concerned about the nicotine content of cigarettes than anything else right now. Almost a year ago I dumped my 2 liters of old nic that had never been frozen. It was turning deep amber. I replaced that with 2 liters that I immediately froze and I'm still working on the first 8oz bottle that I kept out of the freezer. It's holding nicely in the fridge. I'm thinking 9 years or so before I have to buy more vaping at 3mg/ml.

 

[Zazie]

Seems like people are just planning for the worst so far.

 

[NolaMel]

I am. I quit for eleven years at one point, with little suffering, and in the ten years before picking up vaping I smoked only occasionally, often with gaps of months between indulgences.



See, it's the electronics that worry me.



I'd probably need only four liters at 100mgs/ml. The thing is, though I have a large chest freezer, I buy meat in bulk and put produce by for the winter. Plus I tend to cook as though I'm feeding an army and freeze the excess for when I'm feeling lazy. Even a mere forty 100ml bottles (since I lean toward transferring from the original containers) could pose problems, especially since I'd want to sequester them in something rigid to forestall breakage. Still, if prudence wins, I'll find a way.

The boards/chips worry me the most, too. I’ve read several people having them fail recently (2012-13ish devices). The question is are the newer chips better, or is it just a definite life span, like batteries?

 

[Zazie]

I imagine that planned obsolescence is at work. If the chips didn't fail, we wouldn't need to replace our devices.

 

[stols001]

I am stocking up on a few more beloved but not so expensive mods. My nic is lasting me just fine. But me and Christmas are going to be having a little argument about what to spend on ME versus everyone else.

I also, obviously, want another dicodes mod since I have one. That's a German thing though and as a country, Germany has sort of tended to do what it wants. I'm just saying the Germans are NOT going to stop making a product just because the FDA tells it too. The Germans will laugh, sort of sarcastically and continue.

Also I am fairly confident the one I have is gonna last forever. Fairly much so.

Oh also, it kind of seems as if I am NEVER gonna run out of Snus from my first snus order. It's in my freezer at the apartment and I can barely fit any food in there.

Of course, who needs food. Etc.

Anna

Anna

 

[Zazie]

You've reminded me how much I covet one of those, Anna. Too rich for my blood still, I'm afraid. ("But," my weaker angel is now whispering to me, "if it'll last forever . . . ?")

 

[Brewdawg1181]

You've reminded me how much I covet one of those, Anna. Too rich for my blood still, I'm afraid. ("But," my weaker angel is now whispering to me, "if it'll last forever . . . ?")

Same here - I love the mini, but Dicodes are supposedly well made enough to last for ages. So that's another excu....umm....reason for me to consider buying one.

 

[Zazie]

I mean, if we're planning for decades ahead, it would almost be criminally negligent not to get one, no?

 

[bnrkwest]

Buy a few chips, I bought one just in case

 

[Brewdawg1181]

I mean, if we're planning for decades ahead, it would almost be criminally negligent not to get one, no?

Just stop it Zazie! I'm struggling enough already to retain my Tightwad Club Membership!

 

[Opinionated]

I mean, if we're planning for decades ahead, it would almost be criminally negligent not to get one, no?

Never ever ever spend beyond your means. Never.

Vaping will change for real. God only knows what vaping will look like in 10 years but I do believe it will stay, and the government won't be able to do anything about that. Vaping as an industry is here to stay.

Me personally? I'm not willing to put what I enjoy/want/potentially need, into the hands of a fickle and over-regulating government.

I'm off cigarettes for 4-1/2 years, but no matter what life throws at me I want to know vaping the way I enjoy it is there for me. I may end up wanting to vape with nicotine again for some reason, and/or I may not always be able to afford vaping once the government truly gets it's way with regulations, because here in the U.S. all they want is to make it as expensive as cigarettes through taxation.

There is a window of time right now for me to stock pile enough to keep vaping costs way low for a very very long time, exactly the way I enjoy to vape and I'm taking advantage of that window.

But if it's not something you NEED, or if it's too hard on you financially to do, then know vaping will be here always, it's just going to look somewhat different over time... you may end up with nothing but expensive pod mods and limited flavors for life, but it'll be here for you whether you stock up or not..

 

[Brewdawg1181]

Never ever ever spend beyond your means. Never.

Vaping will change for real. God only knows what vaping will look like in 10 years but I do believe it will stay, and the government won't be able to do anything about that. Vaping as an industry is here to stay.

Me personally? I'm not willing to put what I enjoy/want/potentially need, into the hands of a fickle and over-regulating government.

I'm off cigarettes for 4-1/2 years, but no matter what life throws at me I want to know vaping the way I enjoy it is there for me. I may end up wanting to vape with nicotine again for some reason, and/or I may not always be able to afford vaping once the government truly gets it's way with regulations, because here in the U.S. all they want is to make it as expensive as cigarettes through taxation.

There is a window of time right now for me to stock pile enough to keep vaping costs way low for a very very long time, exactly the way I enjoy to vape and I'm taking advantage of that window.

But if it's not something you NEED, or if it's too hard on you financially to do, then know vaping will be here always, it's just going to look somewhat different over time... you may end up with nothing but expensive pod mods and limited flavors for life, but it'll be here for you whether you stock up or not..

I agree, Opinionated. No way vaping is going to completely disappear in the near future, so I'm not really a stockpiler, but definitely understand & empathize with those that are. New products will become available, some will become obsolete, and many are much more than a little likely to be legislated away. The way I look at it, I had to make a pretty major adjustment to switch from smoking to vaping. So I'm sure I can make the adjustment to whatever is available even easier. However, of course I don't want to, an no one should have to due to irresponsible/incompetent legislators. No way I think government should be able to tell us what we can vape. So, short of maybe forcing some sort of minimal labeling requirements or something of that nature, they need to be involved as little as possible.

So today, I can get enough of what I like if I choose. Or I can quit completely when things change too much, which was my original goal, after all. That doesn't mean I might not prefer loading my Doggy or True MTL with my favorite diy NET for quite some time.

Truth be told, I'm hoping they really do come after diy last, if at all (insert wishful thinking emoji here). On any equipment, I'd hate to have to vape commercial juices even today, before government tells us what they should be.

 

[Rossum]

I am. I quit for eleven years at one point, with little suffering, and in the ten years before picking up vaping I smoked only occasionally, often with gaps of months between indulgences.

I don't think I ever managed to quit for more than a week, and that was with a patch, back when they were new..

See, it's the electronics that worry me.

Yup, me too, which is why I no longer used them. This despite the fact that I've built mods with DNA boards in them myself, meaning I could certainly stock some spare DNA boards and replace those boards as need. But I decided it simply wasn't worth the hassle because for me personally, the vape from a mechanical device is just as good, and mechanical devices don't tend to fail for no apparent reason.

 

[JCinFLA]

What I don’t have is vg and pg... hope I’m not taking a gamble

IMO, and that of many others...PG and VG will always be available. So quite a few of us, that I know of, aren't putting in a stockpile of either one now. They're used by many other people for lots of things other than making eliquid.

Companies like Bulk Apothecary don't carry nic base, nor flavorings, nor anything else for vaping or DIY eliquids. But they carry both PG & VG, because people have been using them to make other things (ie. lip balms, lotions, soaps, etc.) with them, for many years.

If push comes to shove...Tractor Supply sells PG by the gallon, for use with cattle, to prevent a physical condition some can get. Walmart carries VG, though only in smaller quantity (IIRC the bottle I bought years ago was 168mL or 170).

Because of BA's sales or special coupons for regular customers, and because I'm teaching more local people to DIY their eliquids, I have 3 new gallons of VG and 2 new ones of PG now...besides a working gallon of each that I just opened about a month ago. (I start the DIY newbies off with enough of each, and some flavorings & nic base, to last them a month or so, until they order/receive their own). Gives them time to check out recipes, decide what flavorings they need/want, etc, and still be able to make eliquid during that time. If I wasn't doing that...I wouldn't have that many gallons of PG & VG onhand now.

 

[Rossum]

The boards/chips worry me the most, too. I’ve read several people having them fail recently (2012-13ish devices). The question is are the newer chips better, or is it just a definite life span, like batteries?

It's not a definite life span like batteries have, where we know they will degrade with charge cycles and just plain age. There's no intrinsic reason why power electronics should "wear out" in the scant 5-6 year time frame you're mentioning. Except that they do live a hard life in a mod. Mods get dropped. Mods have juice leak into them. Etc, etc. So the failure rate will be higher than, say, a TV that's sitting in your living room. Now after 10-15 years, it might be anticipated that things like flash memory cells in the micro-controller could fail and so on, even if they're not abused.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

It's not a definite life span like batteries have, where we know they will degrade with charge cycles and just plain age. There's no intrinsic reason why power electronics should "wear out" in the scant 5-6 year time frame you're mentioning. Except that they do live a hard life in a mod. Mods get dropped. Mods have juice leak into them. Etc, etc. So the failure rate will be higher than, say, a TV that's sitting in your living room. Now after 10-15 years, it might be anticipated that things like flash memory cells in the micro-controller could fail and so on, even if they're not abused.

That makes me wonder, @Rossum - when I used to work in lighting engergy upgrades & retrofits, then LED lighting, many of the electrical components were rated for MTBF- Mean Time Between Failure. Do you know if they do anything like that with computer chips, or any of the mod components?

 

[Rossum]

What I don’t have is vg and pg... hope I’m not taking a gamble

Yes, but it's much less of a gamble than nic. PG and VG are used for other things, but if the FDA went completely medieval on vaping, they could do things like restrict the sale of PG at Tractor Supply to people who can prove they actually have cattle, or require that VG for soap making and such be denatured with a bitterant. However, I think the chances of this happening are relatively low compared to restrictions on nic base.

 

[Rossum]

That makes me wonder, @Rossum - when I used to work in lighting engergy upgrades & retrofits, then LED lighting, many of the electrical components were rated for MTBF- Mean Time Between Failure. Do you know if they do anything like that with computer chips, or any of the mod components?

I haven't seen any such data for mods or the circuit boards in them, and if I did, I'd have about as much confidence in it as the absurd MTBF numbers that hard-drive manufacturers publish.