Are you done stocking up?

[UncLeJunkLe]

I have all I need to survive a ban with DIY, but I prefer to continue to be able to buy pre-made eliquids.

Well if you like tobacco flavors, I think you'll be OK as long as your preferred brands filed a PMTA. Otherwise, kiss premade liquid goodbye. I don't think anything but tobacco flavors will survive the PMTA process. JMHO.

But to do what you are saying is a dangerous proposition.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

And I have never sold any vaping supplies or products.

Read above again. If you are not in business to sell tobacco products" and you are buying wholesale tobacco products, you are in for a world of hurt on at least 3 different fronts they way you are proposing going about things. But honestly, you won't even get passed the application process on 95% of these wholesalers anyhow without proof of being a legal tobacco reseller.

 

[Bliss Doubt]

Read above again. If you are not in business to sell tobacco products" and you are buying wholesale tobacco products, you are in for a world of hurt on at least 3 different fronts they way you are proposing going about things. But honestly, you won't even get passed the application process on 95% of these wholesalers anyhow without proof of being a legal tobacco reseller.

I get it, get it, get it. Nothing is worth giving the feds more power over our lives. I wrote that in defense of my intentions, but as you can see, I did delete my post above. I wish all who replied to it would delete theirs too, but I don't get to choose what gets memory holed, and perhaps it's better that the warnings remain posted.

To your other post, about getting flavors: flavors are the least of my concern. I have said previously, in this forum, that I would be perfectly happy to vape unflavored forever, if it came down to that, but I think you're confusing flavor bans with vapemail bans.

I don't like the direction this discussion has taken. Your question about my personal stash was off point, though I understand you were asking about how worthwhile any risk would be to me. When I come up with, admittedly, hare brained schemes, I'm thinking of everyone who posts here . We've been talking about the end of the world of vaping since around 2013, which I think is when deeming regs were announced. We have all been trying to figure out how to keep supplied, and stay off cigarettes. Nicotine is arguably the most addictive substance in the world. Recovering alcoholics have said to me that they are told, in AA meetings, not to try to stop smoking while recovering from alcoholism, because it adds too much to their stress. If I'm optimistic, I believe the hammers of vaping just want to keep it away from children.

I found this link on the other forum. I hate the live stream format, waiting for people to come online, people interrupting with premature questions and so forth, but as a vape news guy, he's one of my favorites, more of a researcher than an "influencer", Matt of Suck my Mod. This is about the vape mail ban. It's thoughtful, draws no conclusions, but it gives me hope. He talks about how a supply vacuum will always be filled, though the supply will become more expensive. Since I have no illusion that my government cares for the people, or would ever hesitate to smash peoples' businesses and livelihoods, much less help me stay off cigarettes, I'll take a morsel where I can find it:


Thanks,
Your friend in vaping

 

[Aerodan]

A newb question here, apologies: is there an organization with a legal wing,
sort of like the NRA-ILA that I can donate to, which takes on bans like these for the vape end user? Clearly they've not been very successful, but every year I try to donate to organizations like this.

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[Doffy]

A newb question here, apologies: is there an organization with a legal wing,
sort of like the NRA-ILA that I can donate to, which takes on bans like these for the vape end user? Clearly they've not been very successful, but every year I try to donate to organizations like this.

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CASAA in the usa

They have a subforum here and post campaigns and stuff

 

[zoiDman]

A newb question here, apologies: is there an organization with a legal wing,
sort of like the NRA-ILA that I can donate to, which takes on bans like these for the vape end user? Clearly they've not been very successful, but every year I try to donate to organizations like this.

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I'm Not Sure if VTA excepts Individual Donations? But You could always contact them and ask.

Vapor Technology Association | Protecting the Vaping Industry

 

[Territoo]

There's CASAA.

Donate to CASAA - Support Tobacco Harm Reduction

 

[zoiDman]

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[UncLeJunkLe]

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No pun intended

 

[zoiDman]

No pun intended

Yeah... If it Wasn't the Ends of the e-Cigarette Market as we know, it would be a Funny Pun.

 

[CaveFurby]

Well, that's it then. Maybe time to squeeze one more order in from heartland before they have to join the band wagon.

 

[mcduffy]

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[JCinFLA]

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[mcduffy]

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[Vapeon4Life]

So here is where I am:

I have maybe 20 bottles of various flavors I like with anywhere from 30 - 120ml per botlle - Figure I'm good for 1.5 to 2 years and will probably buy some more before the postal ban.

Also have about 7 pen style refillable pod devices that have integrated batteries {non replaceable} and one
pod/mod device with a replaceable battery.

Now I'll ask again - What is the easiest way to store it all. Will the pre-mixed liquids last longer in the refrigerator or freezer without changing flavor from the cold???

And will the integrated battery pen devices keep longer in a refrigerator or freezer.????

And no one has yet to give me an answer on this -
What is the 'usual' shelf life of an integrated battery type device left sealed in the box???

THANKS!!!

 

[Territoo]

While plain nic does best in the freezer, not as much is known about the premixed, because most DIYers will stock plain and not the premixed. There are accounts of people finding old nic that was not kept cold and it vaped just fine. Of course you don't want to do that on purpose. The concern with freezing your premix is that although it has nicotine, it has flavors too, and those may not come through the freezer unscathed. I have kept nicotine out at room temperature for a year. It changed color, but no affect on taste or effectiveness. Most of your DIYers are prepping for decades, not a couple of years. Freezing plain nicotine makes more sense in that circumstance. Since you are dealing with a premix and only a couple of years, I'd suggest refrigeration would be best.

As far as battery storage, I found this:

Myth #5. Putting a battery in a freezer can extend its life.
Heat can certainly impact the life of a battery. But what about cold? Can cooler temperatures make a battery last longer? This depends on the type of battery. The old NiMH and NiCd batteries would discharge quickly, and freezing them would drastically slow down the discharge rate. The new Li-Ion batteries have since replaced them, however, and do better when kept at room temperature. Alkaline batteries discharge at a rate the equivalent of a few cents per year when stored at room temperature. Storing them in a freezer isn’t going to make much difference unless you live in a very warm climate zone.
​

Sounds like just keeping your devices in a cool, dry place is better than the freezer. Plus there is condensation that can hurt electronics when stored in a freezer. Obviously dont store them in the garage in the summer, but a closet in the house would be fine.

I hope I was able to help. Keep in mind that this was based on my research. Someone else may find other info supporting a different view. The reason why you didn't get a simple, easy answer is because there isn't an easy answer to your questions. In a few years after this ban hits, we'll know more about long term storage.

 

[Myrany]

In a few years after this ban hits, we'll know more about long term storage.

Which is why I made sure years ago to have mech mods and rebuildables in my collection. All replaceable battery. I also have them in various sizes should a particular size of battery become difficult to aquire.

In the end there are things we just cannot know the answer to until we are faced with them.

Last Christmas I bought a fair bit of premade liquid even though I have been DIY for years because the deal was good and they were flavors I never successfully replicated. I can only attest that I keep it in the fridge. If it survives long haul great if not then the price was so small I am not worried about it.

Like many others here though I have been vaping for years and watched this entire nightmare unfold over those years. What is happening now is infuriating but not entirely unexpected.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

So here is where I am:

I have maybe 20 bottles of various flavors I like with anywhere from 30 - 120ml per botlle - Figure I'm good for 1.5 to 2 years and will probably buy some more before the postal ban.

Also have about 7 pen style refillable pod devices that have integrated batteries {non replaceable} and one
pod/mod device with a replaceable battery.

Now I'll ask again - What is the easiest way to store it all. Will the pre-mixed liquids last longer in the refrigerator or freezer without changing flavor from the cold???

And will the integrated battery pen devices keep longer in a refrigerator or freezer.????

And no one has yet to give me an answer on this -
What is the 'usual' shelf life of an integrated battery type device left sealed in the box???

THANKS!!!

There are a lot of questions in the vape world that have no black and white answer, which is why you never got the black and white answers you're looking for.

Which is why I made sure years ago to have mech mods and rebuildables in my collection. All replaceable battery. I also have them in various sizes should a particular size of battery become difficult to aquire.

Y'done good IMHO.

Only thing I don't have is 21700 mechs, but whatever. I ain't gonna worry about it anymore.

 

[Territoo]

There are a lot of questions in the vape world that have no black and white answer, which is why you never got the black and white answers you're looking for.

Vaping itself is only about 15 years old, and you should've seen what we did for equipment in the early days. Of course, we were fighting the same battles back then. I've actually stocked up before in the past. All old obsolete equipment that I wish I still had. Trouble is we had some wins and only minor losses compared to what's going on now. An indoor ban is nothing compared to this. We got complacent, and now it's biting us in the .....

 

[YoursTruli]

Just my personal experience with pre-mixed...
I have tried longer term storage (2-4 years) two different ways.
I transferred from plastic to amber glass bottles with caps not dropers and kept it in a cool dark drawer I also stored it in the freezer both are like the day I bought it now 4 years later.
Mine are all artificial flavors,
freezer was 18mg/ml 100% PG (I bought strictly to freeze it)
drawer was 6mg/ml 70/30 PG/VG
Both freezer/drawer bottles were kept sealed until in use.
I'm not for the whole refrigerator thing as condensation can form destroying pre-mix/nic
just personal experience YMMV