That would be, um, 10 liters, right? How does premade juice do in the freezer? I'm reluctant to say what I have b/c the way things are going in this world, who knows what laws/regulations might be enacted some day.
Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.
To be quite honest, I've not put any of it in the freezer. It's sitting in a sealed off room in a closet to remain away from the sun light. I've heard people say that it will completely ruin the juice, and others that have stated that they're using juice they've frozen for over a year w/out any difference. I think the composition of the juice is likely the biggest factor. I'm reluctant to put it in the fridge because anyone that looks in there, will likely think I have a problem. And I probably do, but they don't need to think that.
Tell that to Casey Anthony.
Shoot, which reminds me, I still need to order that nic.
I keep my premade liquid stock in a refrigerator. I've read of other ECF members freezing it with mostly good results, but I'm only expecting to keep it for a few years versus long term. Most of it is 0 nic mixes, which in my experience hold up much longer. It's also handy if we want to change nic levels in the future.
Does nic base in a PG solution last longer/more stable/safer than in a VG solution, or vice versa?
Kurt, the resident ECF chemist, said in 1 of his posts awhile ago...that it's likely to do just slightly better in a 100% VG base than in a PG base. I'll go see if I can find his exact words.
Nah, that's okay. If it's that minimal, I'll just go with VG. I was going to do that anyway since I generally am heavier in VG ratio - will help slightly even out the distribution in volume of VG usage. Thank you.
Here's what he said anyway, for others who might wonder the same thing:
"I have unthinned VG-nic in well-sealed glass in the freezer that is virtually unchanged after 6.75 years. In plastic, especially LDPE, it will oxidize, even in the freezer. Some PG-nics I've had in glass did oxidize in the freezer after about a year, some didn't."
"I don't have data on frozen ready-to-vape e-liquids with flavors, since I make my own fresh as I need them. I don't buy flavored e-liquids, and I only freeze unflavored VG-nic, mostly 100 mg/mL."
"Cold slows all reactions down, frozen solid or not (VG does not freeze entirely). This is a function of chemical kinetics and molecular dynamics...nic and O2 cannot move well in the thick glue-like liquid that VG turns into in at freezer temps, so they don't find each other as easily."
"I have every reason to believe VG-nic will last essentially forever unchanged in the freezer and in glass. If 6.75 years shows no change, I don't see at all why it shouldn't last for decades."
"I have unthinned VG-nic in well-sealed glass in the freezer that is virtually unchanged after 6.75 years. In plastic, especially LDPE, it will oxidize, even in the freezer. Some PG-nics I've had in glass did oxidize in the freezer after about a year, some didn't."
"I don't have data on frozen ready-to-vape e-liquids with flavors, since I make my own fresh as I need them. I don't buy flavored e-liquids, and I only freeze unflavored VG-nic, mostly 100 mg/mL."
"Cold slows all reactions down, frozen solid or not (VG does not freeze entirely). This is a function of chemical kinetics and molecular dynamics...nic and O2 cannot move well in the thick glue-like liquid that VG turns into in at freezer temps, so they don't find each other as easily."
"I have every reason to believe VG-nic will last essentially forever unchanged in the freezer and in glass. If 6.75 years shows no change, I don't see at all why it shouldn't last for decades."
using 8 year old PG nic...no change
Storage method? Glass? Freezer? Or other? Most of mine is in glass, freezer, but a couple of the latest still in plastic.
Mine is in glass, freezer
Can't argue with success!
And, for me, anyway, the color or not of the glass isn't important. No light in the freezer, when it's closed. And, yes, mostly closed
And, for me, anyway, the color or not of the glass isn't important. No light in the freezer, when it's closed. And, yes, mostly closed
Can't argue with success!
And, for me, anyway, the color or not of the glass isn't important. No light in the freezer, when it's closed. And, yes, mostly closed
I'm forced to store mine in the same freezer I keep my food, so there's plenty of opening and closing of the freezer door. Amber glass for me. I'd do cobalt if it were possible to find 1 liter bottles in that color.
I still have a ton of VG left haha. Went to the basement to get a gallon tonight, still have 3 full ones left.
All I can think about after making my juice though is "Did I shake the nicotine?" I'm 95% sure I did but I hate that feeling. It's at the end of the bottle anyways so it should be fine. I looked into the bottle afterwards and it looked well mixed so I must have. I just hate not knowing.
Worst that can happen is it's a little potent, right?
All I can think about after making my juice though is "Did I shake the nicotine?" I'm 95% sure I did but I hate that feeling. It's at the end of the bottle anyways so it should be fine. I looked into the bottle afterwards and it looked well mixed so I must have. I just hate not knowing.
Worst that can happen is it's a little potent, right?
I wouldn't worry about it.
The only time I ever shake my nic base is when I've got a new Liter, and I'm ready to decant it into glass bottles. I shake it really well right before opening it, even though it's likely not necessary according to Kurt. Haven't had any hot spots, nor weaker or stronger nic base yet, when shaking it only then. I don't personally know anyone who shakes it each time they make their DIY.
Kurt provided some info about nic base not separating...and why.
ETA:
Did some searching and found this from him -
"One last thing, I think that nicotine separating or rising to the top due to lower density than VG is a myth. I have never seen or heard of this, and I speak with large manufacturers and labs. No one in the industry has seen this as long as the e-liquid or DIY base is mixed completely. If it is thick VG with pure nic, and it has not been mixed properly, and you have regions of pure nic or pure VG, then this could happen. But once the solution is homogeneous and mixed completely, nic does not separate out or rise to the top."
Also - "I have MANY bottles of 100 mg/mL VG nic, and have never seen this happen. In an e-liquid with perhaps PG, flavors, water and maybe a little ethanol (in some flavors), and it is a transparent homogeneous solution, it will stay that way. The thermodynamics dictate dissolving, and they do not reverse and go back to separated."
He continues the explanation, in a more detailed post following the above, if anyone wants to read it:
I refuse to believe ECBlend's nic mg claims
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I never shake mine. I take a small glass bottle out of the freezer and let it thaw then transfer to my in use bottle for mixing. I've never noticed an issue.
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