Are you done stocking up?

[Myrany]

For any that might have been concerned. Ida missed us almost completely.

Praying for NolaMel as she would have been in the heart of it. They are saying power down there is going to be out for weeks so we may not hear from her for quite awhile. Even cell phones are iffy down there right now.

 

[FranC]

For any that might have been concerned. Ida missed us almost completely.

Praying for NolaMel as she would have been in the heart of it. They are saying power down there is going to be out for weeks so we may not hear from her for quite awhile. Even cell phones are iffy down there right now.

Mel is ok but has no power.

 

[Z-Lee]

Interesting. Nic storage opinions seem to differ vastly.

Few last points to cover – shelf-life varies largely by nicotine strength, as well as PG/VG ratio. Higher nicotine strengths will possess more nicotine molecules, less likely to be completely solvated by their carrier (PG/VG). Put simply – 100mg/mL formulations will keep for less time than a 24mg/mL formulation. PG is also a much better solvent for this purpose – it has an extremely low viscosity, will dissipate dispersed oxygen bubbles quickly (say that 4 times fast!), and has a longer shelf-life chemically (2 years from DOM, vs. VG – 1 year). Thus some may only see a short shelf-life for a 100mg/mL solution kept on a shelf compared to a 24mg/mL solution kept in multiple frozen aliquots. Remember, nicotine solution solvated in wither PG or VG WILL NOT FREEZE!
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Storing Your Nicotine Solution

 

[zoiDman]

Interesting. Nic storage opinions seem to differ vastly.

Few last points to cover – shelf-life varies largely by nicotine strength, as well as PG/VG ratio. Higher nicotine strengths will possess more nicotine molecules, less likely to be completely solvated by their carrier (PG/VG). Put simply – 100mg/mL formulations will keep for less time than a 24mg/mL formulation. PG is also a much better solvent for this purpose – it has an extremely low viscosity, will dissipate dispersed oxygen bubbles quickly (say that 4 times fast!), and has a longer shelf-life chemically (2 years from DOM, vs. VG – 1 year). Thus some may only see a short shelf-life for a 100mg/mL solution kept on a shelf compared to a 24mg/mL solution kept in multiple frozen aliquots. Remember, nicotine solution solvated in wither PG or VG WILL NOT FREEZE!
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Storing Your Nicotine Solution

The Problem with a Statement like above is the term "shelf-life" Isn't Defined.

I mean if they were talking about Something like Milk, one could assume that they meant the time until the Milk was Undrinkable. And even then, there Might a like Margin of Error of a day or two depending on how Picky you are about the Taste of your Milk.

But what Does Shelf-Life mean for Nicotine Base? And Does NN's meaning align with what the Reader's Def of what Shelf-life means?

 

[Z-Lee]

The Problem with a Statement like above is the term "shelf-life" Isn't Defined.

I mean if they were talking about Something like Milk, one could assume that they meant the time until the Milk was Undrinkable. And even then, there Might a like Margin of Error of a day or two depending on how Picky you are about the Taste of your Milk.

But what Does Shelf-Life mean for Nicotine Base? And Does NN's meaning align with what the Reader's Def of what Shelf-life means?

True, but do you think a lower shelf-life of a substance at room temperature than another, would also likely have a lower shelf-life being frozen?

 

[zoiDman]

True, but do you think a lower shelf-life of a substance at room temperature than another, would also likely have a lower shelf-life being frozen?

Wouldn't that depend on What is Causing the Shelf-Life to Shorten?

If it is Light, then Freezing might not have Anything to do with it.

If it is the Kinetic Motion of Nicotine Molecules interacting with free O2 Molecules then Perhaps? But since I can't Quantify what the Deference would be in Motion of PG verses VG at say 10F in a Freezer, let along what type of Real World Degradation is supposed to be occurring, I kinda have No Way of say'n.

All I know if that Many People have Pulled out 5+ Year Old PG Nicotine Base stored in Glass and they said it was Fine. The Same goes for VG Nicotine Base.

So I wonder if PG or VG even matters when it comes to in the Freezer stored in Glass?

 

[JCinFLA]

@zoiDman - Also, about this they wrote:
"Thus some may only see a short shelf-life for a 100mg/mL solution kept on a shelf compared to a 24mg/mL solution kept in multiple frozen aliquots."

Seems to me that any different mg nic bases could be substituted in that statement...and it would be a no-brainer for anyone to agree. Of course nic base kept on a shelf would have a shorter shelf-life than nic base kept in a freezer. Wouldn't it?

ETA: Also, wouldn't a nic base vendor prefer that people buy more Liters of their 24mg/mL nic base...than fewer Liters of their 100mg/mL? They make a crapton more $$ on the 24mg/mL. They're using less pure nic in it and more plain PG and/or VG to make it. Several vendors were selling 24mg/mL nic base for approx. $24-26/Liter. That's a bunch, IMO...when Heartland's 100mg/mL was $44.99/Liter.

 

[zoiDman]

True, but do you think a lower shelf-life of a substance at room temperature than another, would also likely have a lower shelf-life being frozen?

BTW - If your are On the Fence on All this, a Simple Solution would be to go with 50|50 Nicotine Base.

That way you would be Guaranteed to be at least 50% Correct 100% of the Time.

 

[zoiDman]

... Of course nic kept on a shelf would have a shorter shelf-life than nic base kept in a freezer. Wouldn't it?

No Arguments there. But once again, what do you consider "Shelf-Life".

10% Degradation of Nicotine mg/ml strength?
Colour?
Taste?
Some Combination of All Three?

 

[JCinFLA]

Personally, I've believed what a chemist had to say about it (who has no "skin in the game" so to speak), before I trust what a nic base vendor has said about it. But, everyone has to decide for themselves what to believe and rely on, as far as buying nic base for the longterm and its proper storage.

 

[smacuser]

Interesting. Nic storage opinions seem to differ vastly.

Here's the exact same rabbit hole I went down 5 years ago.

 

[zoiDman]

Here's the exact same rabbit hole I went down 5 years ago.

Some Observations buy Kurt in that thread...

"...

Here is something I think they fail to understand about nic oxidation. In a closed 50 mL glass bottle of 100 mg/mL nic with 4 mL air headspace there is contained within, nothing to be done about it, enough O2 to react with 8 mg of nic. That's it. So if ALL of it reacts with nic, this will at most mean about 8 mg of nic will oxidize. Not 8 mg/mL, just 8 mg total, out of the 5000 mg of nic present. The cap might allow a bit of O2 over time, but very little, and then in the freezer the reaction rate goes to almost zero. Which means as long as O2 is kept out, a 100.00 mg/mL nic solution will become, at worst, a 99.84 mg/mL solution.

..."

Cutting 100mg Nic in half to 50mg, then storing. Good or Bad?

 

[440BB]

For me, the long term nic storage rules remain the same:
In the freezer
In glass

Unless one uses 100% VG, I recommend PG based nic as it flows much better, particularly when cold.

I haven't seen any new information that affects these issues over the last five years or so.

I expect to be pulling clear, potent and mostly colorless nic from the freezer 20 years from now if I'm still around.

 

[YoursTruli]

There has been a lot of nic storage talk/threads over the past years, understandable since it's a financial as well as long term availability issue. The older nic storage threads here are well worth reading, a lot of knowledge and experience to be found.

 

[BillW50]

Well if something does happen to our nic supply, currently the loophole is synthetic nicotine.

Denied FDA Authorization, Vaping Companies Start to Explore Loopholes

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Well if something does happen to our nic supply, currently the loophole is synthetic nicotine.

Denied FDA Authorization, Vaping Companies Start to Explore Loopholes

I heard before that it tastes bad. But I never tried it.

 

[Territoo]

I heard before that it tastes bad. But I never tried it.

If it's all that's available to you, you'd vape it. Just add more flavoring.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

If it's all that's available to you, you'd vape it. Just add more flavoring.

That's impossible to say since I have no idea how bad it tastes (assuming it does taste bad). If the bad flavor is really strong, one may not be able to get used to it even at 50% flavor.

 

[Koolkiz]

I started DIY back in Dec 2010-give or take a few days or weeks. I have nic from 2011 and its still fresh. I vape 2-3mg dose. It seems like it is the same. I have vg & Pg nic base 100mg/mL. All my nic base is frozen. I keep some out to mix.

I would try synthetic nicotine. I read somewhere it is pricey.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

I would try synthetic nicotine. I read somewhere it is pricey.

$254.00 per liter of 100 mg at heartlandvapes.
TFN® Synthetic Nicotine - 100mg - 1 Liter