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[Fidola13]

Same with PG, VG and lithium cells.

mods, tanks, nic, not so much, and getting harder all the time

I worry about the batteries especially the 18650s and 21700s. Already some vendors aren’t selling certain manufacturers batteries to individuals unless you have some kind of commercial license or similar.

I know this question probably has been already asked but how long can you store new batteries that come with a partial charge?

 

[englishmick]

I worry about the batteries especially the 18650s and 21700s. Already some vendors aren’t selling certain manufacturers batteries to individuals unless you have some kind of commercial license or similar.

I know this question probably has been already asked but how long can you store new batteries that come with a partial charge?

Don't know how long but I believe they will last quite a while stored in a fridge at 3.6. There was a major battery shortage a few years ago where none of the batteries I was familiar with were available for several months, never heard why. Now I keep around 15 in the fridge as insurance. I know I've taken batteries that were in the fridge for a couple of years and they seemed fine. Capacity was the same as new batteries.

Don't remember where I heard that stuff. It was talked about on ECF a bit.

 

[Fidola13]

Don't know how long but I believe they will last quite a while stored in a fridge at 3.6. There was a major battery shortage a few years ago where none of the batteries I was familiar with were available for several months, never heard why. Now I keep around 15 in the fridge as insurance. I know I've taken batteries that were in the fridge for a couple of years and they seemed fine. Capacity was the same as new batteries.

Don't remember where I heard that stuff. It was talked about on ECF a bit.

Thanks for this information. Between the nicotine in the freezer as well as refrigerated flavor bottles now something more for a refrigerator. I need another refrigerator for all of this!

 

[somdcomputerguy]

I'm sure there's some battery storage info in Mooch's blog somewhere. There just might be a YouTube video clip too.
blog
videos

 

[BillW50]

I worry about the batteries especially the 18650s and 21700s. Already some vendors aren’t selling certain manufacturers batteries to individuals unless you have some kind of commercial license or similar.

Wow! I haven't seen this. I generally get mine from one of the major big battery vendors. Buy elsewhere and you could end up with old stock, B grade, or fake cells.

I know this question probably has been already asked but how long can you store new batteries that come with a partial charge?

I have some Samsung and Sony batteries that I never used or even charged. They have been on the shelf for 6 years now and I was thinking of testing a few of them.

I have some that I have been using and trying to kill that are now 9 years old (Samsung 25R blue wraps). And I think they are finally getting there. They may not survive their 10th year.

 

[BillW50]

I know I've taken batteries that were in the fridge for a couple of years and they seemed fine. Capacity was the same as new batteries.

I have seen graphs of lithium aging stored at different temperatures. And temperatures of 114F and higher you see the destruction gets worse the higher they are exposed to. But 95F and lower the aging is pretty much flat.

 

[BillW50]

I know this question probably has been already asked but how long can you store new batteries that come with a partial charge?

I have some Samsung and Sony batteries that I never used or even charged. They have been on the shelf for 6 years now and I was thinking of testing a few of them.

Well I did run a test of a 6 year old Samsung 25R sitting on the shelf against a fresh one.

NEW 18mΩ 2550mAh
6YR 20mΩ 2355mAh

That's a loss of 195mAh and 2mΩ after 6 years. That is very encouraging.

 

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[Haktuspit]

Noticed all the 18650 store battery have "Do not use in Vape" written somewhere on the page. We just ignore that, right? All I looked at were on Mooch's list.

 

[BillW50]

Yes. Those battery warnings are to cover their if the battery blows up.

 

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[UncLeJunkLe]

If anyone knows of a decent quality reusable desiccant pack, I'd like to have a link.

I bought these usable tin desiccant packs and they are utterly worthless. They are advertised to be good for up to 30 cu ft. but in reality they aren't good for jack squat.

They stay charged in the little baggie they're packaged in (I have 2 unopened ones of the 5 I bought over a year ago still showing charged), but as soon as you open the package and put them in a box or whatever, they last 3-5 days. So you have to recharge them more than once a week, which is...uuummm...ridiculous lol.

I have three of these in plastic totes from 7qt size up to maybe 6x that size, so the totes themselves, empty, aren't anywhere near 30 cu ft, heck, not even 30 sq ft lol. There is very little airspace left in the totes and then the totes are wrapped in a thick contractor grade garbage bag (how fitting being that these are utterly garbage ).

If they truly covered 30 cu feet of space, the way I'm using them, they shouldn't need recharging for at least a year.

 

[bombastinator]

I’m liking a couple 50lb bags of rice and a dehumidifier. I don’t know how dry you need it though so that might not work.

TLDNR: how desiccants work
The way desiccants work is it’s some sort of hydrophilic chemical that will pull water out of the air. There are lots of them. Dry unmixed concrete acts as one for example. If you don’t mix powdered concrete but just fill in a hole with it, it will turn to kinda crappy concrete in a year or two sucking the water in from the air. This is occasionally very useful in specific situations. I had a garage with no foundation that was saved by it.

There are more than a few that are reusable if you have a microwave. You use it to drive the water off and return it to its earlier state. Rice is one. Unless it’s so wet it just cooks. Any old dessicant will suck, because it has already absorbed a lot of water, and is “full”. Bags of rice are used as desiccants. Thats what the whole “drop your phone in a bag of rice” thing is. It’s not a particularly great one though. Rice has a huge capacity but it isn’t fast or powerful. It may still be too fast for you though. It’s not how long they “last” it’s how much water they suck up and how fast. Also how dry you want it to get is an issue. A dehumidifier and a dessicant is what museums do.


TLDNR: how dehumidifiers work
Dehumidifier to do the lions share of the work, and a dessicant to clean out the corners so to speak. It’s basically a window air conditioner with both the hot side and the cold side inside and a bucket. It works using the fact that cold air can’t hold as much water as hot air, so when it cools it it “squeezes” the water out of the air. It only goes so far though. To get really dry you need a dessicant.

 

[bombastinator]

Wow! I haven't seen this. I generally get mine from one of the major big battery vendors. Buy elsewhere and you could end up with old stock, B grade, or fake cells.



I have some Samsung and Sony batteries that I never used or even charged. They have been on the shelf for 6 years now and I was thinking of testing a few of them.

I have some that I have been using and trying to kill that are now 9 years old (Samsung 25R blue wraps). And I think they are finally getting there. They may not survive their 10th year.

wow! You got some really well binned batteries. The way it used to be done was rechargeable batteries got shipped half full to maximize their shelf life. So they will be below that. If lithium batteries drop too far they can lose their ability to recharge. I don’t know if you’re in danger or not.

 

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[bombastinator]

Im getting off nic so I will be selling all or most of my vape crap when I do. I’ve got a few liters of quite old 100mg base. It’s never been out of a freezer though.

 

[DavidOck]

Im getting off nic so I will be selling all or most of my vape crap when I do. I’ve got a few liters of quite old 100mg base. It’s never been out of a freezer though.

Maybe not sell it all off at first, one never knows

 

[bombastinator]

Maybe not sell it all off at first, one never knows

*sigh* true. It’s in a bunch of bottles. Maybe I’ll keep one and one rig…. For close encounters. Im already below 3 mil, and the weight thing hit. I’ll likely keep everything after Im off everything for a few months. First the nic gets titrated down, then the flavor. The theory is when im vaping nothing but straight pg I will eventually just stop. I had a disposable in my car and tried to vape it today and failed. Stupendous amounts of coughing. Trump hasn’t come into office yet. If it’s anything as bad as predicted theres a good chance my life will be in danger. There might be too much stress. Im still astounded that he got elected. It’s not the republicans thing, that I can handle. It’s trump.