If I were in the position of having that many friends and family members who were head-in-the-sand type vapers, I would buy a LOT more nic.Eh, another 30 pages of this thread to go, which I dunno if I'm gonna make it through right now (okay, I'm not!) but just to mention this: The End of vaping, or at least awareness of what's just on the horizon, is pretty common here, and on a few other forums. However, out of the 5 family members and roughly 15 friends that I have, who also vape, not a single one of them had any awareness whatsoever about what's coming, "they're going to make it so only adults can buy e-cigs right? That makes sense." Erm, no, that's not it.
FWIW every single B&M I've visited lately -- with the single exception of vape shops in NYC -- is likewise seemingly unaware of what's coming, or just lying to their customers.
If you know what's about to happen, then you at least have the option of making choices. In my case, I'm all set here in TeH BuNk3r with roughly 40 mods (see I JUST KNEW shinyitus wasn't a disease!), 35 years of nic (probably 50 years by August 8th because I just keep buying it), PG/VG, attys, wick, wire, even batteries. So, I'm going a bit overboard <shrug> what else is new. I fully expect I'll end up giving half of it away to family and friends, who are "all set" with 250ml of 25mg/ml nic, and THREE KANGER SUBTANK MINIS BRO! AND I'M GONNA BUY AT LEAST 300ML of juice DURING JULY 4TH SALES! B'okay, so that'll last 6 months at best, and then what? (the answer for most = go buy another pack of smokes.)
The thing is... most people, do not know what's about to happen. And that's sad. It's more than sad, it's just wrong. I'd use the words immoral and unethical, but they're not compatible with the concept of government.
Many tnx to @WillyZee & @ENAUD
I've never bought from them before. Have they always had their recipes posted like that or did they do that in response to Indiana's new law? What a fabulously boss way to flip the buzzards the middle finger if they did it in response to the new law.[/QUOTE
I have only ordered from them once before and I do not recall the recipes being posted. So yes I think it is a big middle finger to the losers that put them out of business. I really hope that corruption charges are brought. Such a load of crapple.
Put together by ECF: @Tommy-Chi and @DC2
The quick and dirty on the FDA Rules
--Vape goods being sold before 2007 can remain available indefinitely
--After August 8, 2016 no new products or changes to existing products are allowed
--Manufacturers of ALL e-liquids or vaping related products will have up to two years to submit FDA PMTA applications for products that have come to market after April 15, 2007 (PREDICATE DATE) so that they may be reviewed for fitness within the market in accordance with FDA intents and purposes for tobacco products.
--The FDA PMTA review process is estimated to take a year and cost as much as $1 million per product
--There will be very few PMTA applications submit with most (if not all) coming from Big Tobacco
--There is no way of knowing if the FDA will approve any PMTA applications, as in the past few new tobacco products have been allowed to be marketed as tobacco products after the initial set of FDA regulations became law
--For ALL products not passing the PMTA process, they must be withdrawn from the market
--It is expected that scarcity or the lack of vaping products will occur across all segments of the market
THE RESPONSE
--Remove tobacco classification because vaping products are primarily 100% tobacco free
--Change the predicate date from April 15, 2007 to the current date in (2016/2017/...) for the Pre-Market Tobacco Applications process (PMTA).
--Requesting a Substantial Equivalence (SE) Report instead of PMTA, so that all products that are essentially similar in operation to that which has already been accepted to also be accepted and allowed to be sold
--Overturn the ban on FREE SAMPLES so that vendors can send samples out to vapers
I couldn't agree more.I am at the point that i have enough to last me a long time,so technically i could be done,as i don't "need" anything else,but there is still a lot that i want haha,so i won't be done until either there is nothing left to buy,or until the hammer fully drops and they say i can't buy more,and in that case,i may still have to push my luck and try for a bit more.
I'm at that point now myself, I am pretty much set, but doubt I will stop buying until the hammer drops. Just seeing how fast things are changing in the states is making me nervous so buy while you still can. When it's over it's over.
I know this not to be true, there is no law prohibiting online selling or purchasing in the state of Ohio.
If there is and I am mistaken I would love to see the law(s) that contradict my understanding to date as I have been following proposed and passed Ohio laws concerning vaping over the past several years... and seriously I think if people are going to post stuff like this they should have reference links (proof) to back it up because there is way to much misinformation floating around needlessly creating undue panic and distress for both businesses and consumers alike.
Ohio has a very vibrant and active vaping community and trade association, OHVTA, who is also supporting the efforts of RSF in filing a lawsuit challenging the FDA’s deeming regulations, VapeXpo is also being held in Toledo Ohio this year Aug 26th-27th.
Thank you YoursTrulli! As an Ohio vaper who likes to order online, I'm trying not to panic. I do have a few B+M stores in my area, but they don't carry my preferred juices and they do tend to be a little higher priced. I just placed another juice order with my favorite vendor whom is in Michigan. I could make a day of it and drive up there, but it's so much easier to just order online.
The OHVTA may be the largest state advocacy group in the country with 117 members so far and growing
you can follow them on FB and join the Ohio Vapers Advocacy League FB group to stay up to date on all the latest.Thanks! I think I will do that. I like to know what's going on! It's all so stupid! Why should a 55 year old grandma be punished because some 17 year old kid got a hold of a credit card and ordered vape gear online? They haven't even proved that any 17 year olds have actually done so! I bet most of them are buying cigalikes at the convenience store in person!The OHVTA may be the largest state advocacy group in the country with 117 members so far and growing
Picked up a couple more tanks, avacado and serpent mini. I am stocked up but now just having fun LOL! 
I was reading more on my state, NM, and for this state it is all about taxing ecigs. They want to get the definition right for vape products so they can tax them. They were also working on public vape bans just like smoking is publically banned here. NM is a smoking free state. I have a feeling tho if vaping gear is taxed, NM would be happy and leave it at that, problem is proposed tax would be around $43 on a 30 ml bottle of juice on top of the juice price. Now who can afford that!?
All of these reports of what states are doing or trying to do with vaping taxes make me wonder exactly what their motives are. Is it that they really want to force vapers back to smoking? Is it that they hate nicotine so much they want to totally eliminate it from the face of the earth? Or is it because they have lost so much $ via downturns in the economy along with no $ for the smoking taxes that the greed has taken its toll and they want us to pay dearly to catch up their budgets? Whichever option may be true, one thing is clear....no one can pay those kinds of taxes period. I think their greed has blinded them to the fact that what they are doing/proposing is impossible to achieve.
Tobacco Bond Issuers Refinance Amid Smoking Decline
"Under the 1998 Master Settlement Agreement, tobacco companies agreed to pay 46 states for expenses related to smoking illnesses. Many states then formed corporations to raise cash by selling bonds backed by future settlement revenue streams from the tobacco firms."
And these bonds are in danger because of declining cigarette consumption. I'm looking for a list of states that sold bonds to compare with the state taxes coming down the pike, just to see if the highest taxes are coming from those states, in an effort to discourage vaping. The West Virginia House did come out and say that their cig/e-cig tax increases were implemented solely to balance the budget.
WV House OKs tobacco tax hike to balance budget
Thanks for the post. I knew I had read that somewhere, but with all the reading I (we) have all been doing and add anxiety to that due to the 'deems' it is all started to blur together. I still don't see how they expect to really ever collect or make up for their short-sighted futures bond buying. It is an impossible endeavor to put such a burden on on small sector of people. And a real shame that they are killing the one thing that they have screamed about wanting forever-----healthier citizens.
Are you done stocking up?
Yes. Although I have no intention of obeying bad laws if introduced.
I will continue to buy from whoever sells vaping equipment, and supplies.
Passive resistance.
If any vapers or vape companies are victimized, I will turn up at the courthouse with thousands of other vapers and surround the building, stopping anyone from entering..
Letting the government department prosecuting the case know they are up against committed consumers, who are prepared to fight ignorant bureaucrats, putting our health and well-being under threat.
Yes. Although I have no intention of obeying bad laws if introduced.
I will continue to buy from whoever sells vaping equipment, and supplies.
Passive resistance.
If any vapers or vape companies are victimized, I will turn up at the courthouse with thousands of other vapers and surround the building, stopping anyone from entering..
Letting the government department prosecuting the case know they are up against committed consumers, who are prepared to fight ignorant bureaucrats, putting our health and well-being under threat.
Actually there's nothing in the regs that prevent the end user from doing whatever. It's all regulation on the seller, so if you find a vendor willing to sell and ship, it's their problem as far as enforcement. Then again, I'm happy to buy from anyone who doesn't knuckle under on this.
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No not impossible. In smokers they found a compliant group of citizens willing to be raped and plundered without any risk of backlash at the polls. It worked there. Why won't it work if they "evade" those taxes by switching to equally punitively taxed vaping? That's the plan.
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