Are you done stocking up?

[JCinFLA]

I am copying all my receipts too, shows date of purchase, so if anyone thinks it was illegal I have proof it wasn't. Just a CYA move on my part May stick my nic receipts in freezer so I have a couple of copies in baggies LOL I also have all receipts online so handy if I loose anything.

I also have hard copies of all of mine, as well as saved files of them on my computer. Planning on putting 1 hard copy of each receipt in with my stash stuff. Could be of help for whoever has to decide what/how to do something with it all at that time.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

I also have hard copies of all of mine, as well as saved files of them on my computer. Planning on putting 1 hard copy of each receipt in with my stash stuff. Could be of help for whoever has to decide what/how to do something with it all at that time.

I have all mine on the computer also. But I have several household members that know who gets what. Now if that actually will pan out once I am gone, who knows. I guess they will have to figure it out themselves.
I did go through the thought process of how the receipts could be a two edged sword. The Feds or states may not be able to take our stuff, but if we show what we paid for it, will they try to get taxes on it? I came to the conclusion that they really do not have the kind of manpower needed to do those kind of searches. So maybe leaving the items in a will is not such a good idea. Just let others know or leave a list where they can find what to do with them.
just my 2 pennies.

 

[house mouse]

I did go through the thought process of how the receipts could be a two edged sword. The Feds or states may not be able to take our stuff, but if we show what we paid for it, will they try to get taxes on it? I came to the conclusion that they really do not have the kind of manpower needed to do those kind of searches. So maybe leaving the items in a will is not such a good idea. Just let others know or leave a list where they can find what to do with them.
just my 2 pennies.

They can't go back and retroactively apply taxes on a product that wasn't a tobacco product at the time of purchase.

 

[bnrkwest]

I am.

I think the Hamsters on the Wheel are getting Cranky.

Oh what a cute hamster !

 

[bnrkwest]

We may to make a list of "vintage tobacco products" so people know what this vape stuff is 10 yrs from now I have a few vintage cigarette lighters with Joe Cool on them, so my vape stuff may end the same, vintage!

 

[DancingHeretik]

My daughter vapes a little, and my brother does too. My brother is likely to die about the time I do. If we're both gone and my daughter doesn't want any of my stuff, she knows about the Old Folks threads. They'll take care of it for her.

 

[Eskie]

After I get my last nic stashed in the freezer, I'll type up a letter with instructions, seal it, place it in the freezer with a note: To Be Opened Upon My Death.

Now I don't feel guilty.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

I am on vacation this week so I have been rather obsessing about the vaping stuff, too much time on my hands

The friend I have who is militant about her vaping rights, and who vapes heavily @24mg/ml hasn't bought her nicotine yet. She said she's still thinking about it. I expect that she will wait until 8/7 and then panic about it and it may be too late. I only bought her 1 liter because I have two people to supply here at home. I told her that she needed to decide how many years worth she wants and take care of the rest herself. It bothers me not to just cover her needs but I've spent enough really.

So yesterday I am over there working on her computer. She's a close friend and I am happy to do it for free but she usually pays me in fresh eggs from her chicken coop and fresh veggies from the garden.
Yesterday she whips out $100 cash and insists that I take it. I'm like "NO WAY, I am NOT taking your money !" She is a great debater tho and always wins every argument LOL and she says (in a very bratty tone) " FINE, if you don't take the money I will never ask you to do another thing for me and I will be stuck paying a professional big bucks instead"

Geeze Louise I take the money but am not happy about it. Then on the ride home it occurs to me that RTS still has their 4th of July sale going on so as soon as I walked through the door I ordered her 2 more liters of 100/mg/ml nicotine. It's a win/win. I can stop worrying that she doesn't have enough nic now and I don't have to feel guilty about taking her money

I never thought I'd be giving just plain old nicotine to people as gifts. These sure are strange times.

I'm reading this and I'm very happy for you and then the wheels in my head started cranking, I need my van worked on(front end aligned, new shocks, new manifold), apartment cleaned(hey why not), and garage painted. All that I need to do is to buy a dedicated freezer, a battery backup for it, and 100 gallons of nic... I'd be set for a decade easy. Think of all the work "I" could get done around here!!!

 

[Tommy-Chi]

I was thinking about something last night, as I was going over receipts for vape stuff I've bought & stashed, and figuring out where/how I'll store everything. It dawned on me that since I have no spouse nor children who vape...what will become of all this stuff if something happens to me before I can make use of it all? My close relatives will certainly not even know what most of it IS, let alone its use, original cost, resale value, where/how to resell it, who I'd like to have it, etc.!

Has anyone else thought about that? If you have, what are you doing or planning for that possibility? Especially if the FDA deeming comes down as hard as many of us think it will, and/or state laws keep going in the direction several have already...there will be many people who could really make use of it all in the future! Just think about how many of us are stocking up.

I could just picture someone going to my chest freezer and seeing all the nic in there...and just pitching it or taking it to a hazardous waste collection site!

Any thoughts or ideas on this?

Good question. I "Google" pretty good, and here is what I came up with with short work.

I think that I would try and ...
#1) Leave explicit instructions on the handling, sale, disposal of all of your vaping supplies. I am sure the EPA would label manufactured nicotine liquid/base to be an "acutely toxic" substance from what I have read but it is easier to get rid of b/c it is a "household substance."

This document is very interesting:
"Resource Conservation and Recovery Act (RCRA), the federal RCRA hazardous waste regulations include an exemption for all hazardous waste generated by households (see the "household hazardous waste" exemption at 40 CFR 261.4(b)(l)). "


Warnings you might use in your written documents:

#2) Properly label all of your nicotine. Looks like "P075" is the EPA label for most nicotine. It may not apply for nic base, but I'm having a hard time finding an EPA number or designation for it.

#3) Locate a local refuse/disposal company that would handle the waste. It must be incinerated.

#4) And of all else fails... Links to Hazardous Waste Programs and U.S. State Environmental Agencies


Nicotine disposal in the news: (A, B, C)

 

[Tommy-Chi]

I just created a blog entry. If anyone has anything to add, I'd appreciate if you added it in the comments below my entry. Thanks!

YOUR WILL AND TESTAMENT: How to handle disposal of NICOTINE

 

[Eskie]

Err, you can't just dump it in the toilet?

 

[Tommy-Chi]

Err, you can't just dump it in the toilet?

Not recommended according to EPA. P095 is even for the disposal of nicotine patches.

Liquid pharmaceuticals that are toxic are expected to be incinerated by EPA.

 

[Eskie]

Not recommended according to EPA. P095 is even for the disposal of nicotine patches.

Liquid pharmaceuticals that are toxic are expected to be incinerated by EPA.

Glad I asked, although I never tried to flush a patch down the toilet (I'm not that dense), just tossed them in the trash.

So, I have to vape all my nic to properly dispose of it? Cool. I can follow Federal regulations like that.

 

[JCinFLA]

That's all good info. Tommy, but in light of what's most likely going to happen with the current easy availability of Nic...I'd really rather that someone else who vapes and does DIY, could make use of it. Just need to figure out how to arrange for that to happen if the need arises. Sure won't be able to just list it on eBay or Craig's List, nor anywhere else.

 

[zoiDman]

Oh what a cute hamster !

Yeah... He Is Cute.

But the United Hamster Powered Forums Union Local 458 thinks that he is Overworked. And doesn't feel that the FDA Deeming was part of their Collective Bargaining Agreement.

So they are Kinda Upset with all the Extra Work they have had to do Lately.

 

[kross8]

That's all good info. Tommy, but in light of what's most likely going to happen with the current easy availability of Nic...I'd really rather that someone else who vapes and does DIY, could make use of it. Just need to figure out how to arrange for that to happen if the need arises. Sure won't be able to just list it on eBay or Craig's List, nor anywhere else.

i think our relationships here/elsewhere will move the nic where needed if we dont have others around us needing it.

 

[Eskie]

Yeah... He Is Cute.

But the United Hamster Powered Forums Union Local 458 thinks that he is Overworked. And doesn't feel that the FDA Deeming was part of their Collective Bargaining Agreement.

So they are Kinda Upset with all the Extra Work they have had to do Lately.

Have you ever seen how fast a hamster can turn that wheel to get their next hit of nic? Those tiny legs are just a blur.

 

[englishmick]

In my case, a search and seizure could be a real possibility if it's outright banned or illegal to cross state lines.

As a trucker, one perk of the job is submitting to searches and inspections on the whim of DOT and customers.

Were I to be doing something illegal with little Glass bottles that I mix at home, my mandatory identification would tell them exactly which house to go to.

Wouldn't be hard to find an entire laboratory. I just question if they'd be informed enough to know all of what is related to confiscate for evidence.

Tapatyped

Talking of little glass bottles I've had similar thoughts. With how strict the Indiana laws are I don't want to have to explain those bottles with hand written labels. A while back I had similar concerns and saved the last half dozen shop bottles my grandson bought. Kept them with the labels on. Now that only 4 firms will be selling juice legally here I will probably buy a few bottles of their product and save them. That way if I go away somewhere and take juice it will be in legal looking bottles.

Might be a little harder for you. Going from State to State what's legal in one place might not be somewhere else.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

They can't go back and retroactively apply taxes on a product that wasn't a tobacco product at the time of purchase.

I hope you are right. But lately, the gov is doing a lot of things I thought they never could or would do.

 

[house mouse]

I hope you are right. But lately, the gov is doing a lot of things I thought they never could or would do.

Oh, I agree. I don't trust the buzzards. And that lack of trust is the biggest reason I won't purchase any more vape products after the end of this month. Then I can always truthfully say I have never ordered tobacco products on line. Just in case anyone ever feels it's their God given right to question me about it.