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[Sugar_and_Spice]

Shipping Restrictions | USPS
I don't see e-cigarettes fitting the definition of "cigarette" nor do I see "e-cigarette" or "tobacco products" in any of that. Until the PACT Act is amended to include them, I don't see how USPS can refuse to ship them.

This is why everyone is waiting to see what will happen.

I argued the point of the definition of a 'cigarette' initially when the deeming regs came out, but was told it was a dead horse. E-cigarettes do not fit the description as stated in US code 5 either, but that has not stopped them from other avenues as seen in the deeming regs.

Definitions of Cigarettes & Smokeless Tobacco Products

NOTE: If your cigarettes and smokeless tobacco shipment may be mailed, you must have your package approved by a Postal employee at a Post Office™.
Since when do postal employees have the authority to approve anything?

 

[Just Me]

This is why everyone is waiting to see what will happen.

I argued the point of the definition of a 'cigarette' initially when the deeming regs came out, but was told it was a dead horse. E-cigarettes do not fit the description as stated in US code 5 either, but that has not stopped them from other avenues as seen in the deeming regs.

Definitions of Cigarettes & Smokeless Tobacco Products

NOTE: If your cigarettes and smokeless tobacco shipment may be mailed, you must have your package approved by a Postal employee at a Post Office™.
Since when do postal employees have the authority to approve anything?

As sworn federal law enforcement agents, Postal Inspectors have the power to serve warrants and subpoenas issued under the authority of the United States; make arrests without warrant for postal-related offenses committed in their presence; make arrests without warrants for postal-related felonies cognizable under the ...

https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/contactUs/faq.aspx

 

[Tommy-Chi]

Shipping Restrictions | USPS

Restricted Domestic Items
Cigarettes & Smokeless Tobacco
Most cigarettes and smokeless tobacco products may not be mailed domestically or internationally.

Definitions of Cigarettes & Smokeless Tobacco Products
471.1 Cigarette
Any roll of tobacco wrapped in paper or in any substance not containing tobacco, and any roll of tobacco wrapped in any substance containing tobacco, which because of its appearance, the type of tobacco used in the filler, or its packaging and labeling, is likely to be offered to, or purchased by, consumers as a cigarette. The term cigarette includes roll-your-own-tobacco and excludes cigars.

471.2 Smokeless Tobacco
Any finely cut, ground, powdered, or leaf tobacco that is intended to be placed in the oral or nasal cavity or otherwise consumed without being combusted.
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I don't see e-cigarettes fitting the definition of "cigarette" nor do I see "e-cigarette" or "tobacco products" in any of that. Until the PACT Act is amended to include them, I don't see how USPS can refuse to ship them.

Looks good for now. Have to wait to see if anything is added HERE.

 

[Vandal]

Looks good for now. Have to wait to see if anything is added HERE.

But I don't believe the FDA has any say over what can and cannot be shipped. The PACT Act would have to be amended by Congress as far as I know.

 

[Haktuspit]

But I don't believe the FDA has any say over what can and cannot be shipped. The PACT Act would have to be amended by Congress as far as I know.

I got the points you have been trying to make. Thought you might like to know in case you're losing your mind.

People who have experience buying parts from ebay, what do you look for in a vendor? Thinking state side, over 99% positive reviews, anything else? Need some Kanger RBA's still, maybe a few replacement glass... might just order cheap clones with RBA's from the looks of things.

 

[LoveVanilla]

"F*** the FDA"! I'm golden i.e. set for at least fifteen years.

What Qty

Atomizers:
Primary
Kayfun V5 4
Nectar 4
Narda 4
Stumpy 4
Magma Reborn 3

Secondary
Hobo v3 1
Hobo v3.1 1
Snapdragon 1
Veritas 1
Magma 2
Nectar Nano 1
Erlkönigin 2
Erlkönigin Mini 2
Kayfun V4 2
Kayfun V3 Mini 2

Mods
Vapor Flask V3 2
Wismec Rx200 2
eLeaf Pico 4
TBD? 2
DNA 30 2
Mech's 2
Kicks 2

eJuice
Nic 100ml 4.5 L
VG 3.5 Gal
Flavors (multiple) 1.4 L

Supplies
Rayon 490 ft
SS 316L 160 ft
Ni200 300 ft
SS 430 200 ft
Kanthal 500 ft
Spare 510s 4
Spare tanks, orings, etc. TBD

 

[ericbnc]

I picked up a VapeRev Nemesis from the classifieds, really happy with it too.

 

[bnrkwest]

But I don't believe the FDA has any say over what can and cannot be shipped. The PACT Act would have to be amended by Congress as far as I know.

I have been reading up on FDA authority and yes they do have it over other agencies when they are sole authority. The FDA already has a presence at our ports of import of goods and with an agreement with Customs and Border control any item the FDA oversees comes under FDA authority like import of foods, drugs, tobacco, etc. They have an electronic scanning system now and it is coded for FDA. Any FDA codes that are a red flag get opened and inspected, plus they do sample inspections also. This was all in place before the ruling over e cigs so nothing new in procedure just new that ecigs are now deemed tobacco product. So if FDA says this or that does not get thru, they have final say not customs or USPS, all imports have to pass muster with FDA on the products they regulate. Now for domestic shipping of ecigs after 8-8 we have to see if that Keeps kids Free of tobacco law amends the pact act to include ecigs deemed tobacco and included in no shipping thru USPS. No way of knowing at this point. What I do know is that shipping cigs was once legal then banned after one law or rule was passed, so things can change anytime a new ruling pops up. The big problem is FDA is sole regulator over ecigs and it isn't pretty.

 

[bnrkwest]

I picked up a VapeRev Nemesis from the classifieds, really happy with it too.

View attachment 584113 View attachment 584111

Nice, it that an original Nemesis?

 

[bnrkwest]

"F*** the FDA"! I'm golden i.e. set for at least fifteen years.

What Qty

Atomizers:
Primary
Kayfun V5 4
Nectar 4
Narda 4
Stumpy 4
Magma Reborn 3

Secondary
Hobo v3 1
Hobo v3.1 1
Snapdragon 1
Veritas 1
Magma 2
Nectar Nano 1
Erlkönigin 2
Erlkönigin Mini 2
Kayfun V4 2
Kayfun V3 Mini 2

Mods
Vapor Flask V3 2
Wismec Rx200 2
eLeaf Pico 4
TBD? 2
DNA 30 2
Mech's 2
Kicks 2

eJuice
Nic 100ml 4.5 L
VG 3.5 Gal
Flavors (multiple) 1.4 L

Supplies
Rayon 490 ft
SS 316L 160 ft
Ni200 300 ft
SS 430 200 ft
Kanthal 500 ft
Spare 510s 4
Spare tanks, orings, etc. TBD

Great stash!

 

[bnrkwest]

I got the points you have been trying to make. Thought you might like to know in case you're losing your mind.

People who have experience buying parts from ebay, what do you look for in a vendor? Thinking state side, over 99% positive reviews, anything else? Need some Kanger RBA's still, maybe a few replacement glass... might just order cheap clones with RBA's from the looks of things.

I look to see if they are a vape vendor and check their feedback.

 

[ericbnc]

Nice, it that an original Nemesis?

This one is original made by Atmomixani.

 

[bnrkwest]

But I don't believe the FDA has any say over what can and cannot be shipped. The PACT Act would have to be amended by Congress as far as I know.

When I worked for USPS years ago shipping cigs was legal, people ordered online all the time. I had one customer that bugged me daily if her cigs showed yet LOL Them bam, something signed into law and no more cig shipments. It can happen overnight too. The USPS gets updated all the time on new restricted items or new country restrictions, like Canada has told the USPS no ecig shipments allowed to Canada because it is a restricted item. The regulations change fairly often especially overseas shipments.

 

[bnrkwest]

This one is original made by Atmomixani.

Wow!

 

[bnrkwest]

Oh I did read that USPS does allow cigarettes and smokeless tobacco to be sent to soldiers in a war zone if it is under 10 oz.

 

[JCinFLA]

@Haktuspit - I was looking at eBay today earlier, when you said you wanted some more Kanger RBAs. IF you meant Kanger STM that come with the RBA...there's a seller on eBay, located in the US, and he's been selling STM clones on there (many of them so far), as well as other tanks. He has 100% positive feedback, and some people even said they thought their tanks were authentic...they were that good! They're a terrific price w/FREE S&H. Here's a link, if ECF allows eBay links:

Kanger Subtank Mini V2 4.5ML - USA Seller - Fast Shipping - MULTIPLE COLORS!!

If the link gets removed, his eBay ID is righteousenterprises2. Pull up his listings, and you'll find the one for the STM...whole kit with RBA.

 

[Haktuspit]

Sweet thanks checked at the right time this time, ordered two. Really don't see why not to buy a ton of clones instead of parts, probably cheaper.

 

[Mowgli]

 

[Mowgli]

Wait, wut? What $100 threshold? Stockpiling I've made multiple $300-$400 orders from heavens gifts slowtech, efun.top, etc, everything has just shown up. Is something supposed to happen to pkgs from China worth over $100...? How would anyone know, they all show up from random names and random address', i don't think I've ever received one pkg from "fasttech."

I just bought 10 more nautilus bases (5 full & 5 mini) and 8 rubber seals from Aspire.
The checkout page warns about keeping orders under $56 unless using DHL
I split it into 2 orders of $54 each with free shipping.
I rethought and asked by e-mail if they'd combine them for DHL to expedite them getting into US in time and send me a paypal request for the added cost.
I received a reply that they'd combine them and ship them DHL for free as a courtesy.
That's great customer service.
I replied with a thank you but please send the request for the extra amount.
I haven't received the request and don't expect to.
No matter that I've ordered over $200 in parts over the past 2 years.
Great customer service.

 

[Racehorse]

As sworn federal law enforcement agents, Postal Inspectors have the power to serve warrants and subpoenas issued under the authority of the United States; make arrests without warrant for postal-related offenses committed in their presence; make arrests without warrants for postal-related felonies cognizable under the ...

https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/contactUs/faq.aspx

But they don't have the man power to accomplish this.

Some of these posts are far outside any semblence of reality. Sorry.

Where I live they are barely keeping my rural post office opened ...... financially.