What I've taken notice to is the pod-mod.
We're here begging everyone to get out there & fight for our right to vape yet some manufacturers have taken a different approach. The same ones we've been buying our subohm setups from have been working on closed systems known as pod-mods.
I get the sinking feeling that instead of pushing for what we currently have, they'll be pushing for an entirely different market of vapers......the still-smoker-who-never-tried-vaping-&-we-wanna-give-them-the-smoker-experience. I dont know if that's good or bad.
YouTube video within the last 3 months at a small gathering of shop owners,
You are being lied to! The truth behind the VTA and Dimitris Agrafiotis
mentioned the co he represents, and they have closed systems. Somebody in the audience brought it up and it started an argument.
Some of these people that act as if they represent us are working on systems we do not want and will not willingly buy.
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I feel really lucky that I found this place before I bought anything. Saved me from the Green Cigs and such.
I started with a PigCig, it didn't even accept a 510
Thank goodness I found ECF before I bought anything else
I remember those pigcig's.lol
In fact looking for an adapter for my safe-smoke so I could use a 510 atty is how I found ecf.....
and as they say, the rest is history.
Then again, now that I think about it, it's because I found this place that I bought so much stuff.
After finding ecf, I went for a 901 Riva.....510 at that time were just the atty's. Before there was an adapter. 901's were compatible with an 808D, iirc.
Ahh, the 901 Riva, that's what I went with after the KR8's, and stayed with that for quite a while.
And I agree buuuuut why did it take the deeming regs to aggressively begin marketing to the never vaper?
It's like our right to vape only includes the closed system & that is what I take issue with.
And this is exactly the point I'm trying to make. Every time I go on youtube I know I'm going to see a plethora of sub ohm cloud gear but now since FDA interference, all I'm seeing is newer & newer closed systems.
The eGo may replicate the feel, but having a tank on that eGo in which you add your own juice makes the setup an open system unlike the pods which is a closed system. Currently only one (JUUL) is refillable if you know how to hack it.
...at the time, I could only find the Blu carto replacements at Walgreens, something like $15 plus tax for FIVE cartos that lasted about 5 minutes each.
I actually quit using Blu's.
Looking back, I surely don't know HOW I managed to do that, but somehow I did, for almost 2 months I used them.
I went from 2.5 PADs down to about 10 cigs a day on blu back in 2009. Refilling @ 36mg/ml on their incredibly awful hardware. I quit about 6 months later with Super T and GG's. "this one carto is like a pack of cigarettes!" sure it is, just keep telling yourself that... but load it up with high enough nic and it'll work, just like the current crop of junk like Vuze, etc, which I believe are 48mg/ml.
Blue aquarium foam & straw mod FTW!
Since I don't use youtube very often,(actually just since the deeming) so you are probably noticing stuff more rapidly than I would.
The current on market open systems are not and really never have been mass marketed on tv(don't know about youtube). I have only ever seen ads on tv for the cig-a-likes.
It's interesting to me how often that seems to happen; people find something that works for them and just keep using the same setup [years pass] and then they eventually switch up when none of their old gear is available anymore. I mostly went through cycles lasting about 6 months, where I loaded up on what I liked, and then moved on to the next latest/greatest/mo' bettah bestest thing that's ever existed.
The last 2 years have been a bit different. I don't personally seem to get much of anything out of 60w+ it's just... really hot vapor and not very pleasant to me. I'm still idled out @ 7.5-12watts most of the time. Works for me.
Open systems are that which you control.....rebuilding, DIY etc etc.
Closed systems are one time use pods...unless you know how to hack them to add your own juice.
For anyone looking a Provari Raspberry P3 not a BLEM is only $100 Too bad I don't need more, love the color LOL! P3 Raspberry
Too bad I don't need more, love the color LOL! P3 Raspberry
I know there's an online age verification thread I could post this in
but I like this thread better...
form Vapejoose:
Online Age Verification Does Not Work
As of August 8, 2016 the FDA’s Deeming Regulations went into effect stating that for every transaction containing “Tobacco Products” the vendor must verify the customer is over 18 years old. In face-to-face transactions this is simple by showing your government issued photo id. However online it becomes much more difficult, and the technology doesn’t quite seem to be there to fully support proper age verification techniques.
BlueCheck does not offer any support options for vendors or consumers other than a ticket system which does not appear to get checked. That is why I’m writing this blog post to point out the flaws in their system and explain why we are removing BlueCheck from Vapejoose.
After 72 hours of running BlueCheck age verification plugin here is what we’ve found:
The BlueCheck plugin is easily bypassed by closing the plugin, allowing customers to checkout without providing age verification. This essentially makes the entire service worthless.
Until a better option is available to online retailers that actually works more than 30-40% of the time, provides timely support to both vendors and consumers, and manually validates failed verifications, Vapejoose will not be using third party age verification software. If you’ve already gone through the age verification process, thank you, if you’ve had difficulty checking out over the last few days please try again today.
{all dot coms removed from above just in case vapejoose isn't approved by ECF, I don't feel like checking}
Online Age Verification Does NOT Work!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ mail chimp url so y'all can verify the veracity of the copied post.
Regards,
Hazy
but I like this thread better...
form Vapejoose:
Online Age Verification Does Not Work
As of August 8, 2016 the FDA’s Deeming Regulations went into effect stating that for every transaction containing “Tobacco Products” the vendor must verify the customer is over 18 years old. In face-to-face transactions this is simple by showing your government issued photo id. However online it becomes much more difficult, and the technology doesn’t quite seem to be there to fully support proper age verification techniques.
BlueCheck does not offer any support options for vendors or consumers other than a ticket system which does not appear to get checked. That is why I’m writing this blog post to point out the flaws in their system and explain why we are removing BlueCheck from Vapejoose.
After 72 hours of running BlueCheck age verification plugin here is what we’ve found:
The BlueCheck plugin is easily bypassed by closing the plugin, allowing customers to checkout without providing age verification. This essentially makes the entire service worthless.
- Customers over the age of 27 are still being prompted for photo identification.
- International customers are occasionally being prompted for photo identification.
- Verification time is suppose to be 20 seconds, however some customers have reported having to wait up to 36 hours for SMS verification code.
- There is no way to complete age verification without a mobile telephone, which many customers do not have.
- For many customers there are several assorted errors that prevent checkout, even after successfully completing the age verification process.
Until a better option is available to online retailers that actually works more than 30-40% of the time, provides timely support to both vendors and consumers, and manually validates failed verifications, Vapejoose will not be using third party age verification software. If you’ve already gone through the age verification process, thank you, if you’ve had difficulty checking out over the last few days please try again today.
{all dot coms removed from above just in case vapejoose isn't approved by ECF, I don't feel like checking}
Online Age Verification Does NOT Work!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ mail chimp url so y'all can verify the veracity of the copied post.
Regards,
Hazy
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Then again, now that I think about it, it's because I found this place that I bought so much stuff.
Best post of the day
Hey guys. I'm always 
but just thinking.
If an electronic cigarette works by a battery producing an electric current which travels through and heats a coil. surely, if the heat is produced through another means,
(combustion, not like cigs, kinetic energy or thermal energy produced by pressured gas) these are not ecigs and will not be subject to the TPD rules but we will still be vaping? Feel free to shoot me down if you want.
Or build it yourself. Either way, I'm happy.
Edit: oh yeah, liquid will still be subject. Forget it
but just thinking.If an electronic cigarette works by a battery producing an electric current which travels through and heats a coil. surely, if the heat is produced through another means,
(combustion, not like cigs, kinetic energy or thermal energy produced by pressured gas) these are not ecigs and will not be subject to the TPD rules but we will still be vaping? Feel free to shoot me down if you want.
Or build it yourself
. Either way, I'm happy.Edit: oh yeah, liquid will still be subject. Forget it
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