That is how I felt too, no one is telling me I can't vape!!! My hubby said why are you so upset, just quit and that fired me up even more! LOL
I feel more and more like we are dealing with lunatics in the FDA, they are so out of touch from reality they are that ones that need some Nic for their brain cells to start firing on all cylinders. They at least need to know the product they are trying to regulate, it is just so bizzarre how they are handling the whole vape issue. Totally crazy.
This has been happening for years in many areas but unless it directly impacts someone, they are usually unaware of it.
From the FDA perspective, writing these regulations is job security and it is always about money, power, politics or all of the above.
I once had it explained to me by a big agency director that for every 300k grant or contract, approx 60k went toward the actual service, the rest is 'administrative' costs.
That one's not the vendor's fault if they actually look at the ID and check the pic against who handed it too them and check the birthdate. This is for in store purchases.
I didn't look at all the warning letters sent but the ones I did look at were all for in store sales to under 18.
Whether or not limiting use to 18 and over is appropriate or not, it is hard to feel sympathy for any B&M vendor who gets burned on this. It isn't all that hard to ask anyone under the age of 27 for a photo ID. It takes less well than a minute, and doesn't interfere with customer flow. It's not like the have to record that information for their records. Most of those B&M stores were convenience stores/gas stations/pharmacies. All have the resources to educate their employees.
Online vendors have had a tougher time of putting together an unintrusive system, but all the vendors I use, which are all pretty well known in this community, have made efforts at compliance. Like the regs or not, they are in effect and you do need to follow them, especially on something as easy to abide by as an age check at purchase.
Online vendors have had a tougher time of putting together an unintrusive system, but all the vendors I use, which are all pretty well known in this community, have made efforts at compliance. Like the regs or not, they are in effect and you do need to follow them, especially on something as easy to abide by as an age check at purchase.
But, after you've paid, they've already sold them to you. So, if you had been under-age, they would have already broken the law. So, they obviously have a strong reason to do it backwards. Like to make sure they don't chase away sales before people pay. They only start irritating you AFTER they've got your money.I ordered an MVP and then got asked for a license selfie.I called and emailed saying I wasn't doing that so they could cancel my order if they wanted. I hate the fact that they do that AFTER they take your money.
If someone truly is under-age, they already broke the law before the age verification. And, they will eventually get caught.
But, vaping isn't addictive. They need people to keep smoking so the next generations keep having to pay sin taxes. If the next generation vapes instead, there wouldn't be nearly as big of tax base for sin taxes because they wouldn't get addicted like they would if they smoked.
Just quit?! That's like telling me not to breath!
Shoot I get asked for ID when we buy wine and it does not bother me a bit - a rule is a rule. Go with the flow, but don't make it rushing rapids. To hard to navigate...
This is why online verification is tougher to do. Short of requiring a real time chat over a video cam, you don't absolutely know who's on the other side of the keyboard. One mechanism of satisfying the regs is to require an adult signature at delivery. So if your 15 year old ordered something with your credit card in your name, and you sign for the package, the vendor is good. Whether or not you choose to then hand it over to the kid is up to you.
In this case, the vendor may have billed the transaction, but the age verification was still done before shipment or more important, delivery, so they're in compliance of the regs. Although hardly a friendly service approach to build customer loyalty.
That is what I am looking for in Nov, I can see a lot of sales coming. Paying off CC's in the mean time
what does nov have to do with it?
Checking ID is no big deal if they can figure an easy and more secure way for online purchase.
Few years ago I was playing poker in a casino, until the wee hours, about 03:00. On my way up to my room, decided to stop for a quick beer in a brewpub they had there, nice family place that I had even eaten lunch at once. They had a band going at ~150 decibels, and a young lady at the entrance checking ID. She was early 20s I'm guessing and asked for my ID, which caused me to double over in laughter...I'm retired on Social Security. She turned red and explained that she had to check everyone, no exceptions....
Few years ago I was playing poker in a casino, until the wee hours, about 03:00. On my way up to my room, decided to stop for a quick beer in a brewpub they had there, nice family place that I had even eaten lunch at once. They had a band going at ~150 decibels, and a young lady at the entrance checking ID. She was early 20s I'm guessing and asked for my ID, which caused me to double over in laughter...I'm retired on Social Security. She turned red and explained that she had to check everyone, no exceptions....
that very attitude is why i lost my job, lol. actually not funny but i was fired for vaping outside. never told me any policy intention when they hired me, changed the policy 3 times. left me at the plant by myself every-night. got caught once fired on the spot. no warnings. took 7 weeks to get UI. never gave me a designated place to go and vape on my breaks, just told me it was not allowed to do it except lunch which sometimes was only after i was there 3 hours. so expected to go 5-9 hours without vaping. give me a reasonable policy with a designated area to go then i will comply fully. be an un-reasonable jerk about it i will do what it takes....... lesson to be learned vape in the bathroom 'cause its hard for them to catch you in the bathroom.
Black Friday sales and in Dec all vape shops have to file with the FDA and list products sooo good time to dump inventory.
so right now they do not have to list their inventory with the FDA, yet. does the federal death administration realize the amount of processing that is going to have to be to track all of this inventory. do they realize how big the industry is or how many online vendors they are. the administrative costs are quickly going to exceed any profit from additional taxes they think they will levy
That is a safer policy, just card everyone. Gee, no one ever asks for my id anymore. Not even to verify a senior discount.
I think they are counting on so many closing, it will be manageable for them. Plus, remember that they don't care about costs because it is paid for by the taxpayers so they can 'protect' them and most taxpayers just blindly accept it.
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