Are you done stocking up?

[Brewdawg1181]

I sure like to met these people who makes these predictions. As I too have heard these claims and yet we also know that there are no 100 year old flash memory to research. Same is true for OLEDs screens. Because I often find their predictions doesn't end up true anyway. Like I heard electrolytic capacitors are only going to last about 10 years before they dry out and that's about it. Yet I have some that are over 50 years old and are still working just fine.

Okay, really boring stuff about the displays: LED and OLED - those I can tell you with certainty that they "never" fail - but do decrease in output over time, fairly predictably, to a point that is considered failure. That was my field. They're unlike an incandescent lamp, that decreases in output, but fails all at once (the filament finally fails, and breaks the circuit). They give you an expected life on them base on a sample. So if you have a 10,000 hour bulb, it's the point at which 50% of the sample failed. So you can have some that fail within a few hours, and "hero bulbs" that last hundreds of thousands of hours. The one on my desk now is a 2,000 hr bulb that's been in use for probably been in use for 80,000 hours.

In LED & OLED, since they continue to produce light (assuming the electronics that drive them last) indefinitely, their failure is something called L70 - the hours of operation at which the samples have decreased output to the point that they're only producing 70% of initial output. And the LED's are very consistent and predictable.

But----the display is only a minor part of the mod. They have so many components, that it's like a chain, and last only as long as the weakest link. Having a dna or Dicodes mod is certainly better, but there are other fail points that are impossible to predict. I'd say Dicodes might be a better choice because they don't just sell chips to any modder that wants them, and have more control over all the components. Hell, I'll bet there are Smok mods that've been in daily use for years that still function - but fewer than those mods that use better components.

Anyway, boring stuff, but I haven't had a chance to discuss lighting in a while, so thanks for indulging me!

 

[Opinionated]

 

[Katdarling]

I would hope it would be different. But, I'ld probably be fighting you for first place in line.

As far as I'm concerned, my life depends on it. I have and will continue to stock as long as I can. Luckily, it's only a trickle nowadays.

I'm with ya, kompletely, and in fact, I'd be more than happy to let you "take cuts" in line, DH.

This depends, of course, on bucking the trend to acquire every new device and feature. The same applies to most of our possessions, separating needs from wants. What I really need is to stay off cigarettes. Stocking up in uncertain times with changing product lineups fulfills that need, so I end up with what I want - peace of mind.

(Here here) Hear, hear! This ↑↑↑

 

[Katdarling]

So I have some stockpile going on, but I don't want anyone to feel the way I did, like if it's food today it'll back to smoking tommorow. Sometimes being realistic is in order.. and not letting fear overcome us.

We can be prepared for any eventuality and suggest others do the same without scaring people..

I suppose each and every vaper/vaperette has a unique life experience as it relates to vaping. I've not once ever felt someone trying to terrify me into buying more/sky is falling. I'm truly sorry you had that feeling.

 

[Opinionated]

I suppose each and every vaper/vaperette has a unique life experience as it relates to vaping. I've not once ever felt someone trying to terrify me into buying more/sky is falling. I'm truly sorry you had that feeling.

It's okay.. it was the atmosphere surrounding deeming... the lead up to it.. most people on forum thought that would be it for vaping, so that coupled with my own existing fears was just a weird time.

MBV calmed me down when I spoke to them about it, gave me the ability to not be so worried. They were nice.. told me not to worry with the way I vaped.. lol..

 

[Katdarling]

Sorry, MBV?

 

[Opinionated]

Sorry, MBV?

Mount Baker Vapor..

 

[BillW50]

vaperette

Did you just make that word up, or is that a real word?

 

[MikeE3]

In LED & OLED, since they continue to produce light (assuming the electronics that drive them last) indefinitely, their failure is something called L70 - the hours of operation at which the samples have decreased output to the point that they're only producing 70% of initial output. And the LED's are very consistent and predictable.

Some good info you passed along. Thanks. But it the a timeframe, 5yrs, 10yrs, etc. for them to reach L70? Or does that depend too much on the quality of the LED/OLED to swag a typical lifespan?

 

[Rossum]

But you're stuck with builds that work at 3.7v and that is it. Also mech mods generally lack protection. Like insulators don't last forever and with age they will crack, melt, etc. and now you have a bomb on your hands. And the fire buttons have been known to stick and now your atomizer is running continuous until you notice it and remove the battery.

Plus you have no gauges whatsoever. I love gauges. They generally tell you of apending problems. Even the real wattage reading is handy. On a mech mod, you might not notice that your battery has increasing internal resistance, especially since this usually happens slowly overtime. But on most regulated mods, they will either just turn off when you push the fire button, lower your wattage setting automatically to where your weak battery can handle, or report weak battery.

Of course, with a mech mod and you suddenly realize that your power is fluctuating. Well it could be your battery, your battery contacts, the switch, the wiring, the atomizer, or even the coil. Sure you could check visually. But that might not show what the problem is. You may need external test equipment to see where the problem is. Oh yeah, that stuff is at home.

On a regulated mod, you have gauges. If it is the battery, contacts, or wiring to the board will usually show up as a weak battery. If the problem is on the other end, you will see fluctuations in your readings for amps, voltage, resistance, and possibly wattage. And in the worst cases, it will show either atomizer short or no atomizer and refuse to fire if things become unsafe.

Plus the vast majority of mech mods are single cell mods. Now you are limited by power and battery capacity. Sure capacity can be overcome by carrying spare cells with you. Power? Well you might need a rare series mech mod and now need to build for 7.4v or more.

Sure with a mech you have simplicity. And with it, you give up variable wattage, TC, added protection, wide range of builds available, power, capacity, and gauges (and I am sure I missed some others right now). But for a few bucks more, you have so much more available to you. Well for the latter, sign me up.

All of these points are valid to one degree or another. There are a few that I have minor issues with, such your use of the word "bomb". None of my mods are tubes, and none of them can build any pressure from a venting battery. So "incendiary device" perhaps, but "bomb", no.

Yet my choice of mechanicals does have some advantages:

• Mods that do not fail randomly and in wonky ways such as suddenly deciding to produce a much hotter vape than expected because the mod mis-read the resistance of the coil or the input for the Up button thinks the button is always pressed even though it's not. I've had both of these happen on DNA mods.
• Mods that can be fixed rapidly with common hand tools if/when they do fail.
• Mods that I'm absolutely certain will work if I pull them out of storage one, two, or even more decades from now.

For someone like me who is perfectly content with builds optimized for ~3.7V and for whom a single 18650 lasts through a 600 mile, 9-hour drive with capacity to spare, they are a good solution.

Oh, and cost had absolutely nothing to do with this choice.

But to each his own vape.

 

[englishmick]

Did you just make that word up, or is that a real word?

It is now.

 

[BillW50]

Mods that do not fail randomly and in wonky ways such as suddenly deciding to produce a much hotter vape than expected because the mod mis-read the resistance of the coil or the input for the Up button thinks the button is always pressed even though it's not. I've had both of these happen on DNA mods.

Funny, my Chi You mech mod just did the same thing the other day. I was expecting something like a 75W vape and I got something that vaped like 7 watts. Sure I could fix it, but I just moved the atty to a regulated mod and it has been fine ever since.

Mods that can be fixed rapidly with common hand tools if/when they do fail.

Same is true of a regulated mod too. Just move the battery wires to the 510 and add a switch inline with one of the wires. Or make a switch with wire and tape.

Mods that I absolutely know will work if I pull them out of storage one, two, or even more decades from now.

Same here. Although storing them for decades I might have some corrosion concerns if not stored in a vacuum or some non-corroding gas environment. And yes, I am talking about my mech mods too.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

Some good info you passed along. Thanks. But it the a timeframe, 5yrs, 10yrs, etc. for them to reach L70? Or does that depend too much on the quality of the LED/OLED to swag a typical lifespan?

With both OLED and LED, it depends on the temperature as well as the current more than the actual chip. You can get maximum brightness out of them by driving them harder (at higher current), but you sacrifice life...a LOT of life if you drive them at high current and don't transfer the heat away from them efficiently. Higher current = higher output, shorter life. Higher temp = lower output, shorter life. In a good design with decent thermal pathway, which maintains a lower temp of the LED/OLED, when you drive them within recommended temps, most LED products can claim around 70,000 useful (L70) hours, vs. an incandescent typical life of 2,000 hours, and fluorescent at 30,000 hours operating life, to compare. Good top tier chips matter (Nichia, Cree, Seoul Semi), but the design for use matters even more. True in displays, general lighting, automotive, whatever the application. But their life is extremely predictable and consistent- more so than any other light source. So there really isn't any guessing about LED/OLED life. Again, though, that's the LED/OLED, not the entire system that drives it.

edit: damn...feels weird to recite that stuff again!

 

[Brewdawg1181]

Did you just make that word up, or is that a real word?

Kat makes up half her words, but we all know what they mean (almost all of the time- sometimes you have to think a little). That's what makes it fun!

 

[Katdarling]

Did you just make that word up, or is that a real word?

Brew of dawgs just beat me to the punch. I did not just make that word up. Of course, it's real.

Katspeak 101 - put in your zip as it's pastable there's a klass near you.

 

[bnrkwest]

I was just thinking about two years ago when people were not stocking up and said all we'd end up with is obsolete stuff no one would want anyway. It makes me smile now because some of the old stuff is really hard to find and Provari's are bringing some serious prices. 2 yrs ago you could get a mini and 2.5 for $25.00, those prices are long gone. Even finding Kayfun's are difficult when they used to be everywhere. So I wouldn't worry about what you stock up on, someday they will be rare items someone is looking for

 

[AXIOM_1]

Brew of dawgs just beat me to the punch. I did not just make that word up. Of course, it's real.

Katspeak 101 - put in your zip as it's pastable there's a klass near you.

LOL

 

[BillW50]

I guess I can't link this find either. But maybe I could say this:

(US) - Selling - 3 Provari 2.5 minis

 

[bnrkwest]

No can't link it but they are beautiful!

 

[stols001]

This thread is making me want to buy some doubles and mechs. And, I swear, I am doing the FT thing for some tanks, more of them most notably Siren tanks.. I wish they made them out of plastic or metal I sincerely do.

Coils too. Yup.

Anna