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[UncLeJunkLe]

I find it ironic that RJ Reynolds would buy synthetic nicotine for their Velo pouches.

Do they produce it? RJ AMerican Brands

 

[zoiDman]

Except that NRTs have been around since 1986 and synthetic nicotine is relatively new, in the last few years. The nicotine for NRTs is pharmaceutical grade, which means it is ultra pure, but from the research I did, there was no mention of synthetics which would be a big selling point for those quitting. "We dont use tobacco " it wasn't even mentioned, because there wasn't options. Nicotine from vegetables is impractical and expensive, synthetic nicotine didn't exist until recently. That left tobacco. Again, newer ones may change, but synthetic tobacco doesn't add any benefits physiologically than tobacco derived nicotine, just marketing and maybe in clinical laboratory testing.

Synthetic Nicotine, like many Synthetic alternatives to Naturally occurring compounds, have been around a Long Time.

But I Don't think there has been much focus on it until the FSTCA and the FDA Deeming of e-Cigarettes as "Tobacco Products". Now there is a perceived Grey Area that some see TFN could fill as Not a Drug and Not Under the Deeming as we know it.

I'm Not a Chemist. But I know that All Nicotine is Not the same. R and S Isomers? Maybe this is a Topic better suited for another thread. But I know that there are Companies exploring the creation of "Designer" Nicotines to have Less Additive qualities.

One I am Familiar with because a friend is Bugging me to by Stock in it. Kaival Brands Innovations Group Inc. (OTCQB: KAVL) (KAVL Profile)

Desperate Need Fuels New Products, Programs in Smoking Cessation Space

Anyway... Maybe some/many/most NRT's are made from Plain Jane Nicotine from Tobacco Leaf. Might be. But I am under the Impression that it is TFN. Or at worst, such a Highly Refined Tobacco Nicotine that it it is for all intent and purpose TFN.

 

[NCC]

I was shopping for premade coils on Amazon tonight. Does anyone know whether the coming shipping ban is going to affect their availability (or pricing)?

 

[Myrany]

I was shopping for premade coils on Amazon tonight. Does anyone know whether the coming shipping ban is going to affect their availability (or pricing)?

If the shipper follows the law then yes. Postal, UPS, FedEx ban doesn't change because it is not a vape company. If it was plain uncoiled wire from a wire company then you would be fine. Coils? Nope not going to be ok.

 

[BillW50]

Absolutely NCC! Unless the premade coil is labelled something like a fish tank heater.

 

[NCC]

Absolutely NCC! Unless the premade coil is labelled something like a fish tank heater.

Naw, most of them are labeled for electronic projects, tool parts, crafting, hobbies, and so on.
You know, Amazon has had a long standing problem with anything vape related. So, these coils have been available there for quite a while. Under the wire, so to speak.

 

[Boobsley]

Interesting. So I can understand the different THC tests, but do you happen to know why an employer (or anyone else) would want to know if someone has cotinine in their system that wasn't created because of leaf tobacco use? Are they looking for "proof" of vaping?

Not sure, the 2 tests were teens though. It seems strange to me because they were too young to smoke too. Again, we don’t review the alcohol & tobacco results so I don’t ask questions from the customers. I looked this one up out of curiosity. My guess is probation.


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[Boobsley]

But I believe that the therapeutic nicotine products, like the patches, the gum, and such are nicotine derived from tobacco, just like the nicotine we vape. I do not think they use synthetic nicotine in them. I could be wrong, but there is no advantage and it is not cost effective. Now some brand name patch may come out and advertise it uses synthetic nicotine as an advertising ploy, at double the cost. Now if it turns out that the synthetic nicotine can bypass the cotinine test for tobacco use, it may be an advantage, but remember synthetic nicotine is available for vaping too.

Derived from tobacco, yes, but only the nicotine is being ingested. The other parts of the plant are not ingested or inhaled.


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[UncLeJunkLe]

So my package of the coil heads I found on clearance that I need to test and possibly buy more of, well it showed as having arrived at my local USPS yesterday morning and to be delivered today. This morning, that changed and now it shows as having arrived at the USPS a town over and delivery date disappeared.

I'm not worried about not getting the package because this has happened a couple times in the past 5 years or so, but it figures it had to happened on this particular package, where timing is crucial!

Judging from the past, it will be delivered tomorrow most likely, but that gives me one less day to test the coil heads to see if it's worth buying more before the mail ban.

My last purchase (if it happens) will be to buy some clearance coils I found that should work in any tank that takes the Atlantis coil form factor. I bought one pack and they'll be here tomorrow. Sitting at the local PO right now. I'll hopefully to have a couple days to test one out to see if they are worth it (assuming they even fit). If they do, I'm buying out their remaining stock. I hope they'll be taking orders by then - they don't have a notice on their site of when they will stop taking orders.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

EDIT: OK, so it just now changed to "out for delivery" but shows no delivery date. So I MIGHT actually get the coils today, but I'm not posting the happy dancing banana emoji.

 

[Boobsley]

Anabasine is the test. I was wrong about it being able to tell vape from smoking. It can distinguish between tobacco & non tobacco nicotine, so tobacco derived nic would show up.
Not sure why they would be ordered. It appears that the anabasine test is only for medical purposes. Not for forensics.
Sorry fir the false info before. I should that making assumptions in by line of work is not a good idea.


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[UncLeJunkLe]

EDIT: OK, so it just now changed to "out for delivery" but shows no delivery date. So I MIGHT actually get the coils today, but I'm not posting the happy dancing banana emoji.

Delivered

 

[440BB]

Delivered

Time to vape like a research monkey!

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Time to vape like a research monkey!

Yeah, well, everything seems to be going OK with some minor issues I already knew going in. Main one being that tank doesn't screw together completely since the coil is 1mm taller than OEM. But looks like that 1mm isn't enough to cause leaking so it's still sealing. If I see leakage, it could possibly be remedied by changing the oring where the tank seals when assembled. Looks like it would require just a regular oring so no big deal.

But I have to lay off a bit. I'm feeling a bit woozy right about now. Beginning stages of nic sick. Too much

EDITED TO ADD: These clearance coils have much longer rampup time from when they are cold. much longer. But for the price, I'm willing to overlook that plus with preheat adjustment it could be lessened. Must use much thicker wire than OEM.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

It's 3/22 and heartland said it would stop taking retail orders on 3/25. May be safe to say they won't be offering PG-based nic from now until then, but I keep checking.

As of now, the cheapest suppliers (before shipping) that are still offering liters PG-based nic are
LiquidNicotineWholesalers
NudeNicotine (Chroma) and
RiverSupply

LNW seems to have cheapest shipping cost for 1 liter.

 

[Territoo]

Do they produce it? RJ AMerican Brands

IDK

 

[mcduffy]

Got my last orders in and here's where I'm at:
45+ years of my favorite mod & tank
38½ years of nicotine at my current rate
9 years of silica wick *
8 years of kanthal *
4½ years of PG & VG *
1¼ years of my favorite tobacco flavor *

* just in case

 

[dcdozer]

Anabasine is the test. I was wrong about it being able to tell vape from smoking. It can distinguish between tobacco & non tobacco nicotine, so tobacco derived nic would show up.
Not sure why they would be ordered. It appears that the anabasine test is only for medical purposes. Not for forensics.
Sorry fir the false info before. I should that making assumptions in by line of work is not a good idea.


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About 4 years ago there was a guy selling vaper's life insurance on this forum with the moderators' blessing. I bought it - ended up being through Prudential. As he explained it, they tested my blood for the nicotine, which came back positive of course, and for carbon monoxide (I think), which came back low enough to verify I wasn't smoking. Not sure if there are other ways to verify but I'm sure cigarettes leave a lot of bio-markers that vaping doesn't.

Prudential stopped offering this in 2019 because of all the negative press around EVALI.

 

[Haktuspit]

Vape Mail!!! This actually was pretty exciting. I don't know if it was because it's been so long since I ordered anything or the thrill of it being one of the last but I'm going to be posting my last few orders because it's my last chance to do so.

All stainless. The Smok TFV12, my favorite (leaky) tank.

 

[juskiddin]

I’ve ordered from here before.

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