I've used Synthetic Nicotine. It was Odorless and virtually Tasteless at Diluted mg/ml levels.
Not exactly Head and Shoulders above Chemnovatic or CNT. Which I consider about the Best of the Best. But still the Cleanest Nicotine I have ever Inhaled.
Only Difference is it Costs a Whole Lot More than what the Average Vaper/DIY-er uses.
Holy smokes! I don't think I could afford that right now.
This was a paragraph that introduced solvated solutions while also tying it into the information presented just before it. If you read the previous paragraph, they mention the 3 main killers of nicotine. Here's A, B, and C. Let's introduce D, while tying it back into A, B, and C. I think this was a good paragraph for someone completely new to the DIY process. As stated in the previous portion of the article, higher concentrations of nicotine are more volatile than solvated nicotine, which I think can be unanimously agreed upon, being that there's a higher concentration of nicotine molecules present. This would in turn mean there's also potential for a greater portion of the nicotine to be effected by whatever might be causing the turn; A, B, and/or C. The shelf-life of both VG and PG is also known to generally last much longer than pure nicotine in the right conditions, so solvating it isn't a bad choice assuming the exposure to oxygen isn't excessive in doing so. They then tie C back into their conclusion. Which can again, be unanimously agreed upon based on the information available and individual reports. So a higher concentrated nic bottle left at room temp is going to turn a lot faster than something in the freezer, okay. But why suggest anything other than small bottles - it's a no brainer that this would lead to less exposure to A, B, and/or C since you're going to be taking out one smaller bottle at a time - so they mention using smaller bottles. Again, I see nothing wrong with this information, especially for a brand new person being introduced to DIY. I feel like I'm replying to a National Enquirer article.
I'm not sure why you aim to discredit so quickly. Much of this information is theoretical. Conclusions will vary. The latter portion of your comment is purely opinion based and likely coincidental. If people want to pay more for a ready-to-freeze product from Nude Nicotine, then let them.
I'll stick with VG, I think the variance is negligible.BTW - If your are On the Fence on All this, a Simple Solution would be to go with 50|50 Nicotine Base.
That way you would be Guaranteed to be at least 50% Correct 100% of the Time.
You need early investors to bring the prices down. Remember when led televisions first came out?
Yeah, the cost to move the product must meet the demand. If not, then they're losing money. It will likely come down over time.
I really think Either is going to be Fine Longevity wise.
I use PG Nicotine Base because I like High VG finished mixes. I cut the 100mg in Half using PG. Then when I make e-Liquids, I just add VG.
Works well for me. And it is Simple.
Phew.
NN have a serious lab operation with lots of expertise from what I remember. I got most of my nic from them. But I've read their notes on nic storage before and I wasn't impressed. I found it annoying then and it just annoyed me again. Honestly, it sounds like it was written by someone from order processing who spent half an hour talking to the chemist over a beer. It would take more than a few paras of disorganized rambling to persuade me to dilute my nic to 24mg. Especially since I would need 4 mini freezers instead of one.
The bottom line is that we have anecdotal evidence that 100mg stays in good shape for up to 10 years in a home freezer in a glass bottle, mine seems good as new after 6 years. Backed up by Kurt the Chemist who speculates based on experiments plus his expertise and knowledge that it is likely to stay good a lot longer than that. With a small amount of yellowing and slight drop in nic %.
Bubbles disperse faster in PG. OK. I find it hard to believe that a serious lab can't mix two liquids together without introducing bubbles. Do they use giant hand whisks?
What does "(PG), and has a longer shelf-life chemically (2 years from DOM, vs. VG – 1 year)" mean? Are they saying VG has a "shelf-life" of 1 year? What does the word "chemically" mean in this sentence?
Etc.
Right. What it boils down to is, this is all speculation. Inputs in the form of opinions are great, but they shouldn't be stated as fact. What works for one person, might not work the same for the next. One manufacturer might store better than another. Hardly any of the anecdotal evidence has been measured in any way other than "yep, it still works just fine for me." And that's great, but it should be left as just that.
My original post was simply to state that yep, opinions vary. That can and should be expected in the world of vaping.
If not for any other reason, it caused me to look into the matter even further. Not that I got anything more out of it than what has already been mentioned, but I wanted to do my own DD.
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@Z-Lee - WOW! Your post to me above was ummm, something else, for many reasons.
1st - At the end of your first long paragraph, you said, "I feel like I'm replying to a National Enquirer article."
Well, my post you quoted and proceeded to rant about...was TO zoiDman, not to you. So, you weren't "replying" to my post at all.
2nd - You stated several things that I supposedly said, that I didn't. For example: "But why suggest anything other than small bottles - it's a no brainer that this would lead to less exposure to A, B, and/or C since you're going to be taking out one smaller bottle at a time - so they mention using smaller bottles."
I never mentioned various sized bottles, at all.
The only size of any container I mentioned was a Liter...that the nic base comes in.
3rd - You said: "This was a paragraph that introduced solvated solutions while also tying it into the information presented just before it. If you read the previous paragraph, they mention the 3 main killers of nicotine."
Many of us, including me, have read Nude Nicotine's Blog posts about nic base (including everything you C&P from there) 5 or more years ago. You seem to assume that their opinions, conclusions, etc. are very trustworthy and new. Most of us have long ago read Kurt's posts and findings regarding them. If you'd care to read a specific post of his about them...go here: Cutting 100mg Nic in half to 50mg, then storing. Good or Bad?
4th - About this paragraph: "I'm not sure why you aim to discredit so quickly. Much of this information is theoretical. Conclusions will vary. The latter portion of your comment is purely opinion based and likely coincidental. If people want to pay more for a ready-to-freeze product from Nude Nicotine, then let them."
I didn't aim to discredit it, let alone so quickly. I posted about it to zoiDman, to see what he thought. Also, it's OLD information that has been hashed over years ago and commented on in depth by Kurt!
Again, the ETA part of my post...and the question I posted in it...was TO zoiDman! The pricing info I gave in it, and the statement about there being a large difference in cost to make 100mg/mL nic base versus 24mg/mL...were factual.
And this, from above - "If people want to pay more for a ready-to-freeze product from Nude Nicotine, then let them."
HUH? I never even mentioned anyone's ready-to-freeze product, nor the price of it, nor offered any advice, opinions, etc. about it. Also, I have no control over what other people do or don't buy!
Also, if you read this post of mine, "Personally, I've believed what a chemist had to say about it (who has no "skin in the game" so to speak), before I trust what a nic base vendor has said about it. But, everyone has to decide for themselves what to believe and rely on, as far as buying nic base for the longterm and its proper storage."...you'll notice I started by saying..."Personally, I've believed...." meant it was my own choice as to whom and what I believe.
Please don't "reply", and/or quote and respond, to any more of my posts that I make to other people.
1st - At the end of your first long paragraph, you said, "I feel like I'm replying to a National Enquirer article."
Well, my post you quoted and proceeded to rant about...was TO zoiDman, not to you. So, you weren't "replying" to my post at all.
2nd - You stated several things that I supposedly said, that I didn't. For example: "But why suggest anything other than small bottles - it's a no brainer that this would lead to less exposure to A, B, and/or C since you're going to be taking out one smaller bottle at a time - so they mention using smaller bottles."
I never mentioned various sized bottles, at all.
The only size of any container I mentioned was a Liter...that the nic base comes in.3rd - You said: "This was a paragraph that introduced solvated solutions while also tying it into the information presented just before it. If you read the previous paragraph, they mention the 3 main killers of nicotine."
Many of us, including me, have read Nude Nicotine's Blog posts about nic base (including everything you C&P from there) 5 or more years ago. You seem to assume that their opinions, conclusions, etc. are very trustworthy and new. Most of us have long ago read Kurt's posts and findings regarding them. If you'd care to read a specific post of his about them...go here: Cutting 100mg Nic in half to 50mg, then storing. Good or Bad?
4th - About this paragraph: "I'm not sure why you aim to discredit so quickly. Much of this information is theoretical. Conclusions will vary. The latter portion of your comment is purely opinion based and likely coincidental. If people want to pay more for a ready-to-freeze product from Nude Nicotine, then let them."
I didn't aim to discredit it, let alone so quickly. I posted about it to zoiDman, to see what he thought. Also, it's OLD information that has been hashed over years ago and commented on in depth by Kurt!
Again, the ETA part of my post...and the question I posted in it...was TO zoiDman! The pricing info I gave in it, and the statement about there being a large difference in cost to make 100mg/mL nic base versus 24mg/mL...were factual.
And this, from above - "If people want to pay more for a ready-to-freeze product from Nude Nicotine, then let them."
HUH? I never even mentioned anyone's ready-to-freeze product, nor the price of it, nor offered any advice, opinions, etc. about it.
Also, I have no control over what other people do or don't buy!Also, if you read this post of mine, "Personally, I've believed what a chemist had to say about it (who has no "skin in the game" so to speak), before I trust what a nic base vendor has said about it. But, everyone has to decide for themselves what to believe and rely on, as far as buying nic base for the longterm and its proper storage."...you'll notice I started by saying..."Personally, I've believed...." meant it was my own choice as to whom and what I believe.
Please don't "reply", and/or quote and respond, to any more of my posts that I make to other people.
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