Well, I may know a guy. DM me and I can give you a coupon.I see
The One - Blueberry 100ml
from here (vaping.com) has it 100ml $12.99
Mayyyyyyyyybe @low_tar_neil knows of any deals/codes coming up or currently going on?
Well, this wouldn't be the first time I've seen you make an indirect passive aggressive comment toward me. Like the time I answered a few very basic questions in the innokin Z80 Giveaway and you felt the need to call me out on it without tagging me. This look familiar?
According to the first post in this thread:
So, I'm kind of confused why other members are answering the questions that people have asked them.
I do have a question, or rather 2...for Phil and/or Dimitris though.
Hmmm. Don't you think it would be a waste of their time to ask professionals in the industry, questions that can be answered by someone that's done a tiny bit of research on the actual kit and can answer them? Does "quality" come to mind, when you can blatantly tell that people likely never read one single thing about the kit before asking their questions? Let's make good use of the professionals time since it doesn't happen very often, eh?
Like above, while you didn't directly address me, it was a response in regard to an article I linked that you felt compelled to immediately discredit because it doesn't fit in with your opinions (or Kurt's rather). You simply extracted a sentence from its context, and then more or less stated "what's the point of saying this, it's common sense" by use of words like "no-brainer" and "of course". Ah yes, I forgot this forum is more about flexing info and not about learning. You never once mentioned that much of this information is in agreeance with the consensus, no matter how stupid your opinion thought it was. Again, discredit.
"... so they mention using smaller bottles." If I was directing this toward you, I would have said "you", no?. This was directed toward the author and the article. I will admit, I screwed up here though - what I meant was smaller concentrations, not bottles. But that still doesn't negate the potential advantages of purchasing nic in lower concentrations. Does it take up more space? Yep. More expensive? Yes, but does everyone care about the price like you do? Maybe people don't want to purchase PG or VG separately or have to alter the solutions themselves. I know I've certainly paid a few bucks more for a mod/tank that I could toss in with a big order, than ordering it separately. Maybe they think it would be less dangerous and don't want to invest in a bunch of protective gear? Is your bias/opinion still right? Again, there are people here not as knowledgeable about this info as you oh great one. Your opinion doesn't make you right, but I'm convinced you think that.2nd - You stated several things that I supposedly said, that I didn't. For example: "But why suggest anything other than small bottles - it's a no brainer that this would lead to less exposure to A, B, and/or C since you're going to be taking out one smaller bottle at a time - so they mention using smaller bottles."
I never mentioned various sized bottles, at all.The only size of any container I mentioned was a Liter...that the nic base comes in.
Since you mentioned "several", what else did you misinterpret as being directed at you? Or was this just embellishment? Also, you don't have to outright say something; implication can be read pretty easily, like in your Innokin post above, or the ridiculousness in which I've boldened and underlined this entire post.
Nowhere in the article did I see the author write "you should definitely buy our 24mg/mL nic instead of our 100mg/mL nic base because it will last longer!" Did you? While the potential for profit part may be true, it doesn't make their statement any less true. I see where you picked this up from though - Kurt hints at it toward the end of his post that you linked me implying it's an advertisement gimmick. And now you do.
From your quote, the previous paragraph in the article addresses O2, UV, and heat being the nic killers. This is about the only thing in the entirety of storing nic base where there's legitimate data and a consensus. I'm Confucius?
And I did care to read it. He addresses the over-emphasis (the irony) of companies that advertise squeezing out all the O2 out of the bottle which I can agree with, I think it's likely not worth losing sleep over 4-8 mg of nic loss every time you reseal a container. He then goes on to talk about the natural decay (half-life) of nicotine and how it's about THE SAME regardless of the concentration of solution. Let's look into this a bit further.
The percent of nicotine oxidized will be about THE SAME for both, but total oxidized amount in the 100 mg/mL solution will be more than in the 24 mg/mL solution.
While yes, the undisturbed/unaltered natural decay of both solutions being stored is about THE SAME (assuming similar environmental conditions) and will be solely dependent on the decay rate of the nicotine base, a 24mg/ML is advantageous over a 100mg/mL solution in that it has a lower concentration of nicotine potentially being exposed to either heat, UV, or O2 at any given time. Kurt doesn't address this, unless it was in another post that I missed. This particular post merely addresses the natural decay of nicotine which is again, about THE SAME. That's it. For example, if a bottle of nic base is exposed to heat, it's not going to heat the entire bottle up evenly, right? When you brown hamburger, it doesn't all brown evenly, you have to break it down and stir it around. The heat transfer is going to start from the exposed surface area and move inward. This applies to pretty much every condition in which the surface area of the solution is exposed to oxygen, UV, or heat via decanting, storage, etc. Let's say your freezer breaks or the nic base container gets left out for whatever reason and heat penetrates your 1 liter container a half-inch all the way around. Let's also assume for sake of simplicity, that the compromised amount is 250mL out of the 1000mL. The heat has only effected 25% of the 24mg/mL solution - a potential loss of 6mg/mL. In a 100mg/mL solution, that's 25% of 100mg/mL - a potential loss of 25mg/mL. The percentage is the same, the amount is not. Percentage. Furthermore, assuming these 24mg/mL solutions were decanted from a 1 liter 100mg/mL solution, you've only compromised roughly a quarter of your stash, not the entire stash. From this we can conclude, that if something like this were to happen, the amount of nic you are likely to lose in a 100mg/mL solution would be more than you would in a diluted 24mg/mL bottle of nic base. Sometimes you have to think slightly outside the box of what you're being told. I know, math and physics are crazy.
This is 100% presumptive. I never once said I thought Nude Nicotine's information had any sort of credibility, simply to show that opinions vary on the subject.
Right. What it boils down to is, this is all speculation. Inputs in the form of opinions are great, but they shouldn't be stated as fact. What works for one person, might not work the same for the next. One manufacturer might store better than another. Hardly any of the anecdotal evidence has been measured in any way other than "yep, it still works just fine for me." And that's great, but it should be left as just that.
My original post was simply to state that yep, opinions vary. That can and should be expected in the world of vaping.
This is not what I'm reading - I see bias opinion, presumption, and regurgitation of someone else's theoretical info.
And this, from above - "If people want to pay more for a ready-to-freeze product from Nude Nicotine, then let them."
HUH? I never even mentioned anyone's ready-to-freeze product, nor the price of it, nor offered any advice, opinions, etc. about it.
Many of these nic bases come ready-to-freeze (not optimally mind you) including Nude Nicotine, so in fact you did mention price, offer advice, and state your opinion several times regarding their product, etc.
"... nor the price of it"
ETA: Also, wouldn't a nic base vendor prefer that people buy more Liters of their 24mg/mL nic base...than fewer Liters of their 100mg/mL? They make a crapton more $$ on the 24mg/mL. They're using less pure nic in it and more plain PG and/or VG to make it. Several vendors were selling 24mg/mL nic base for approx. $24-26/Liter. That's a bunch, IMO...when Heartland's 100mg/mL was $44.99/Liter.
"... nor offered any advice, opinions"
Read all of the quoted messages above. I'm not sure what your definition of "opinion" is, but there's definitely a discrepancy between us.
"... nor offered any advice, opinions"Also, if you read this post of mine, "Personally, I've believed what a chemist had to say about it (who has no "skin in the game" so to speak), before I trust what a nic base vendor has said about it. But, everyone has to decide for themselves what to believe and rely on, as far as buying nic base for the longterm and its proper storage."...you'll notice I started by saying..."Personally, I've believed...." meant it was my own choice as to whom and what I believe.
Aaaaand, that about wraps things up.
I bit my lip the first time, but not again.
OH, and lastly, I don't usually agree to these types of conditions because I think they're rather silly and petty, but I'll agree to this if you agree to stop being passive aggressive when talking about other people.Please don't "reply", and/or quote and respond, to any more of my posts that I make to other people.
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@Z-Lee - And...yet again, you pull out bits and pieces of what I actually said in my posts, and to whom (here and in another thread),...twist and turn them to your own liking and use, reference and apply them when talking about something totally different, etc. I won't even respond to and/or correct each of them. People who read your post can figure that out themselves. It's not worth my time nor the space taken here to do it. I won't respond to any more of your posts. I will post in whatever threads I choose to and say what I want to (while following the forum rules)...as all members have the right to do.
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What are you even talking about? Lol. I quoted full statements from you. You're absolutely ridiculous.@Z-Lee - And...yet again, you pull out bits and pieces of what I actually said in my posts, and to whom (here and in another thread),...twist and turn them to your own liking and use, reference and apply them when talking about something totally different, etc. I won't even respond to and/or correct each of them. People who read your post can figure that out themselves. It's not worth my time nor the space taken here to do it.
I thought a member starting to answer questions in a contest thread explicitly created for members to ask questions of two specific people was out of line. I chalked it up to one of three possibilities:
Attempting to put in extra contest entries
Not paying attention to the thread title and OP
Arrogance
Choosing an extensive rationalization of this behavior speaks for itself. Many of us have research and experience that would allow us to jump in with our thoughts when asked. Regardless of my knowledge and level of research on a topic there are times it's inappropriate to insert oneself into a thread.
I thought the comment trying to keep that derailment from continuing was appropriate and rather polite.
Ah, and a member of the "OG" army has arrived in shining armor. I've been warned about all of you. Keep 'em coming.
Exactly. Not that I'd bother replying to anything you write or your reply to others in the future, but this was my exact thought. Your attempt to assert dominance. I know your type.I will post in whatever threads I choose to and say what I want to (while following the forum rules)...as all members have the right to do.
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So........ Are We Done Stocking Up Yet?
For the record, I have been for some time. Everything I bought lately was just "nice to have" gear and misc whatnots.
Anyone else buy any whatnots (authentic or clone)? Good stuff.
For the record, I have been for some time. Everything I bought lately was just "nice to have" gear and misc whatnots.
Anyone else buy any whatnots (authentic or clone)? Good stuff.
More or less. The stuff I've purchased recently has been backups or things of interest - not necessarily necessities.So........ Are We Done Stocking Up Yet?
I will add that the Siegfried Meshed RTA is recent and quite a treat. Interesting deck design and very smooth.
So........ Are We Done Stocking Up Yet?
For the record, I have been for some time. Everything I bought lately was just "nice to have" gear and misc whatnots.
Anyone else buy any whatnots (authentic or clone)? Good stuff.
I’m more than stocked up but keep buying a little of this or that. I have a Brunhilde rta on the way just out of curiosity.
Which one? Is it the dual coil or single? I purchased what I thought was the dual coil, but was actually the single coil. It's still decent.
When I saw that Heartland Vapes once again was offering nic at reasonable prices I wondered whether it would be a good idea to add another liter or two. A trip to the basement freezer was all it took to regain my sanity.
I'm glad at this late date that those who didn't get nic still have a chance.
I'm glad at this late date that those who didn't get nic still have a chance.
Wow I really appreciate this! There's a couple on that list that I could not find and I did do my due diligence (I thought). But you are the master and I bow to you!
It’s the single mtl. I picked that one since it’s supposed to do RDL too and the word on the shiny thread is the flavor is better than the Dvarw.
I thought the same thing. I even put a liter in my cart. I didn’t order though. I don’t think I have room in my mini freezer for more.
In my experience, definitely better than the Dvarw. Better than the Taifun GT4 though, I don't think so. I really want to try the dual coil one with more open space, but rock a single coil in it to see if the flavor blooms a bit. I always feel like MTL's suffocate the flavor a tad bit.
Also I hope you have a needle point bottle. The chubby tips don't quite fit into the side fill port, so you have to pull off the cap to refill it which isn't the end of the world, but an annoyance to say the least.
I'm glad it'll hopefully help you get what you want and at a decent price, too. No bowing is necessary though.
I definitely miss things, too, while Google searching sometimes.
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