Ask your favorite suppliers to remove diacetyl from their e-liquids!

[SimpleSins]

My point exactly. This isn't something you are gonna do the rest of your life.
Hell maybe not even the rest of the year! But without this you would still be smoking which is WAY worse.
It is simply a stepping stone to not having to do anything. No smoking. No vaping.

That's quite the presumption. Perhaps you've missed all the threads where people state their intention to not only not cut back their nicotine, but to also be buried at the age of 90 with their Buzz in one hand and a Silver Bullet in the other.

I'm sorry some of you find science offensive. If you cannot encourage the industry to self-police, you are leaving the door wide open for the government to come in and do it for you. And you are welcome to vape as much diacetyl as you want. vape pure Flavourart butter flavoring and go crazy. But some of us want the ability to choose what we vape, and to do that we need vendors that are honest about what they're using, and ones that take our safety as seriously as we do.

I'm also sorry that you feel that once somebody has been a smoker, they are not entitled to care about their health. That's a pretty sad devaluation of a large group of people.

 

[texastumbleweed]

and i am waiting for someone to respond..but this thread keeps on, with its politics..yes i know analogs were worse for me. but if i have a choice to stick with the safest ejuices possible, then what is wrong with that? so someone PLEASE answer my question. (see my post below)

ok so far, the "safe" suppliers are:
TOTALLY WICKED
BACKWOODS BREW
VAPOR RENU
DIY

any others to add to the list? i need to know so i can start ordering!

 

[SimpleSins]

and i am waiting for someone to respond..but this thread keeps on, with its politics..yes i know analogs were worse for me. but if i have a choice to stick with the safest ejuices possible, then what is wrong with that? so someone PLEASE answer my question. (see my post below)

Juicy Liquid states they use no diacetyl. The majority of the Decadent Vapors flavourings are no diacetayl (I know coconut has it and something else...mentioned on their forum). Capella, LorAnn, TPA are diacetyl-free in the DIY category.

Flavourart DOES use it in some flavors- they do have a list of those flavors containing it on their web site. The problem with that is if you don't know what is in a vendor's juice, you don't really know whether it's got bad joojoo or not.

 

[owutaqt]

It is not in any of the VaporTalk liquids

 

[AttyPops]

SS +1...... champions is a bit of a noob (new ECF member), that's all. He/she just joined in Sept. It is getting to be a heated thread....

Champions: FYI - Some of us will quit vaping when ready. Others have stated they don't intend to quit. Ever. Most care about ingredients. Some don't. Welcome to ECF and the vaping experience. LOL.

 

[texastumbleweed]

ok so we have:
Juicy Liquid
Vapor Renu
Backwoods Brew
DIY
Totally Wicked.....

any others to add to the list?

Juicy Liquid states they use no diacetyl. The majority of the Decadent Vapors flavourings are no diacetayl (I know coconut has it and something else...mentioned on their forum). Capella, LorAnn, TPA are diacetyl-free in the DIY category.

Flavourart DOES use it in some flavors- they do have a list of those flavors containing it on their web site. The problem with that is if you don't know what is in a vendor's juice, you don't really know whether it's got bad joojoo or not.

 

[owutaqt]

Vaportalk.com has it in NONE of the liquids

 

[champions]

That's quite the presumption. Perhaps you've missed all the threads where people state their intention to not only not cut back their nicotine, but to also be buried at the age of 90 with their Buzz in one hand and a Silver Bullet in the other.

I'm sorry some of you find science offensive. If you cannot encourage the industry to self-police, you are leaving the door wide open for the government to come in and do it for you. And you are welcome to vape as much diacetyl as you want. Vape pure Flavourart butter flavoring and go crazy. But some of us want the ability to choose what we vape, and to do that we need vendors that are honest about what they're using, and ones that take our safety as seriously as we do.

I'm also sorry that you feel that once somebody has been a smoker, they are not entitled to care about their health. That's a pretty sad devaluation of a large group of people.

My point is that no one expects the tobacco companies to remove this or that chemical from their product. They accept the product the way it is, look for other products in the same category that are safer or choose not to use that product.

I don't remember saying that you no longer have a choice in what you vape! Don't vape diacetyl! That's you're choice. From now on before I express an opinion I will PM you to see if it is alright for me to post it.

You have options. If you don't want to vape something that will kill you in 500 years, then choose from the vendors that sell juice that doesn't contain diacetyl. Don't expect a vendor to change their whole product line based on an assumption and a forum thread that has no scientific evidence behind it.

 

[DC2]

This seems like a bit of overkill to me. How many packs of cigarettes did you throw away because they "might" contain arsenic? It's not like your gonna use this thing the rest of your life. Eventually you'll cut it down to no nic and it will be lost in the junk drawer forever.

Speak for yourself.

Most of us DO plan to use it for the rest of our lives...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/polls/113153-how-long-will-you-vape.html

I know I did, and now I don't know what I'll do.
But you can bet I'm going to be following this extremely closely.

 

[Zelphie]

I think this whole post should be deleted. Just what the fda needs to see. Zero proof and users what it banned? You got to be kidding.....I knew analogs where killing me and now you are going to start attacking chemicals in ejuice with zero proof

We cannot attempt to make sure our liquid is as safe as we could possible know (which is limited) just to keep off the radar of the FDA. They will do what they do reguardless. And YES, we should be attacking EVERY chemical in our liquid because we use it as a supposed safer alternative to smoking, we want it to be as safe as possible. We need to make sure that is the case or try to make it that way otherwise what the point?

 

[GiMante]

Juicy Liquid states they use no diacetyl. The majority of the Decadent Vapors flavourings are no diacetayl (I know coconut has it and something else...mentioned on their forum). Capella, LorAnn, TPA are diacetyl-free in the DIY category.

Flavourart DOES use it in some flavors- they do have a list of those flavors containing it on their web site. The problem with that is if you don't know what is in a vendor's juice, you don't really know whether it's got bad joojoo or not.

The only Flavors that DV have with Diacetyl are Coconut, Tiramisu, rhubarb crumble, french apple tart. That is only 4 and he will be phasing out the diacetyl in those soon.

 

[SimpleSins]

My point is that no one expects the tobacco companies to remove this or that chemical from their product. They accept the product the way it is, look for other products in the same category that are safer or choose not to use that product.

I don't remember saying that you no longer have a choice in what you vape! Don't vape diacetyl! That's you're choice. From now on before I express an opinion I will PM you to see if it is alright for me to post it.

You have options. If you don't want to vape something that will kill you in 500 years, then choose from the vendors that sell juice that doesn't contain diacetyl. Don't expect a vendor to change their whole product line based on an assumption and a forum thread that has no scientific evidence behind it.

Just to be clear, the action of diacetyl is much quicker than 500 years. We're talking measured in months not decades. And, I don't know if maybe you skimmed the thread and missed some of the crucial points or what happened. One of the critical points is that it is impossible for me to avoid diacetyl if the vendors do not step up and admit that they use it; some have denied using it when they do, some of have remained mute, some have stepped up and pointed out where they do and where they don't.

So, again, if you want to vape diacetyl 24/7/365, have at it. Flavourart sells a very delicious butter flavor that I am sure you will enjoy. But there needs to be enough transparency from our vendors to allow those of us that are trying to improve our health through vaping can steer clear.

 

[GoodDog]

For me I think it might be about rewarding the transparency, I guess.

But if the FDA regulated US companies don't even use it there's nothing to be transparent about.

 

[Panini]

I don't remember saying that you no longer have a choice in what you vape! Don't vape diacetyl! That's you're choice. From now on before I express an opinion I will PM you to see if it is alright for me to post it.

You have options. If you don't want to vape something that will kill you in 500 years, then choose from the vendors that sell juice that doesn't contain diacetyl. Don't expect a vendor to change their whole product line based on an assumption and a forum thread that has no scientific evidence behind it.

Dude. Seriously. Some people keep missing the point. How is a consumer supposed to KNOW they are vaping something without diacetyl if the vendor won't disclose whether or not they use it? What about a vendor who tells you they don't use it, but upon digging for some more information, you find out they DO use it? Where is the line?

And there actually is quite a bit of scientific evidence behind the risks of inhaling diacetyl, in several different concentrations. There are actually zero studies on the inhalation of diacetyl that showed a SAFE exposure limit.

 

[mgmrick]

Please dont dump your juice I will vape it and be the tester

 

[Bovinia]

ok so far, the "safe" suppliers are:
TOTALLY WICKED
BACKWOODS BREW
VAPOR RENU
DIY

any others to add to the list? i need to know so i can start ordering!

We are still waiting to hear from most vendors...and as Roly and many others have questioned, should we just take their word or should we tell them SHOW US PROOF with lab tests. I know it's hard to follow a thread this big but so far you know as much as most of us do. You might try looking in your preferred vendor's forums or pop off an email to them

 

[champions]

Dude. Seriously. Some people keep missing the point. How is a consumer supposed to KNOW they are vaping something without diacetyl if the vendor won't disclose whether or not they use it? What about a vendor who tells you they don't use it, but upon digging for some more information, you find out they DO use it? Where is the line?

And there actually is quite a bit of scientific evidence behind the risks of inhaling diacetyl, in several different concentrations. There are actually zero studies on the inhalation of diacetyl that showed a SAFE exposure limit.

I guess we can agree to disagree I have been smoke free for about two weeks and I feel better. I (personally) am only using this temporarily to get off the cigs. I think if this is something that people are worried about they should do their due diligence as you have and find whats right for them. Lots of companies that produce lots of things probably have stuff in them that is bad for you. The choices are out there so that people can decide which product is best for them.

And I have seen twenty odd pages of this thread. I either missed the post linking to the "if you vape diacetyl you will die" study, or it was not conclusive and that is why this thread is this long. If it was that cut and dry this thread would have ended on page 1.

I'm not saying it's safe, or that it's not. It probably isn't. Lot's of things aren't safe. The steak I had for dinner was probably bad for me. I don't intend to go after the farmers and demand that they raise their cattle the way I want them to. If I am unsure about their practices I will not eat their product. It's simple.

 

[Seabrook]

Please dont dump your juice I will vape it and be the tester

Are you saying you want to be a guinea pig? Why would you do that?

 

[mgmrick]

And how many gallons of this has already been vaped?

 

[cashresolution]

I think this is the reason that suppliers should only buy juice that is made in factory settings. Everyone is trying to make a buch these days with the economy so bad, so of course anyone could put PG, VG, and flavoring together to make ejuice. The public just needs to be careful about the sites that say "CUSTOMIZE TO YOUR LIKING"..