http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...8437-please-remove-diacetyl-your-liquids.html here it is
I emailed the only vendor I use last night and have not gotten a reply yet
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Ask your favorite suppliers to remove diacetyl from their e-liquids!
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http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...8437-please-remove-diacetyl-your-liquids.html here it is
I emailed the only vendor I use last night and have not gotten a reply yet
how sad. how very sad.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...8437-please-remove-diacetyl-your-liquids.html here it is
I emailed the only vendor I use last night and have not gotten a reply yet
listen....its simply a matter of integrity. please be open minded enough to understand that some of us want to only do business with those who show integrity in their business dealings. trust me, i want to NOT believe this..but the facts are plain as day here. as much as i hate to see it.
One of the main points of this thread is disclosure plain and simple. Let us make an informed decision before purchasing. That's all we ask.
I didn't post anything that wasn't already posted earlier Mgm...read the whole thread. He could have answered the question in a professional manner, he chose a different option. You are still free to chose whomever you wish to purchase from.
I emailed Cheryl @ TTTeliquids to ask what company she uses for flavorings. She didn't respond with the company but she said that none of their juices contain diacetyl. She stated that she double checked with the supplier.
If we don't want it, we'd best know exactly how much of it we don't want.
I don't mind a little diacetyl in my e-juice, or popcorn.
Substances emitting ionizing radiation are the sort of which I'm rather intolerant.
All substances are poisonous, there is none that is not a poison;
the right dose differentiates a poison from a remedy.
— Philippus Aureolus Paracelsus
I don't mind a little diacetyl in my e-juice, or popcorn.
Substances emitting ionizing radiation are the sort of which I'm rather intolerant.
All substances are poisonous, there is none that is not a poison;
the right dose differentiates a poison from a remedy.
— Philippus Aureolus Paracelsus
I don't understand this. They list what flavors they use/sell and Flavorart lists which flavors contain Diacetyl. I personally see no problems in continuing to order from this supplier. I'll just order knowing what flavors contain it and which one's don't. If/When the FDA takes control of e-cigs, they will take away our flavors anyway...because flavors are appealing/attractive to children.
They may take away e-juice suppliers ability to add flavors but they can't take away DIYers. Flavors are used in many other things besides e-juice.
At this point, I hope you do. Because then you'll be happy. And we'll be happy for you.
Ok I took this info from a pdf linked earlier in this thread. I'll link again after pasting the table where analog cigarette smoke was analyzed, and some percentage of diacetyl was found. I am not sure what measurements they are using and was hoping someone could tell how much diacetyl is in analogues.
I know that might be hard to see, but you can make out Diacetyl pretty clearly in the list.
Here is the link to the pdf.
Determination of toxic carbonyl compounds in cigarette smoke - Fujioka - 2006 - Environmental Toxicology - Wiley Online Library
I know that might be hard to see, but you can make out Diacetyl pretty clearly in the list.
Here is the link to the pdf.
Determination of toxic carbonyl compounds in cigarette smoke - Fujioka - 2006 - Environmental Toxicology - Wiley Online Library
It may not be a bad idea to research all the ingredients if we can find out what they are. We might as well know what we are actually vaping and what we'll be up against with the FDA. I doubt we can rely on most of the vendors to do this so I guess we should.
Hopefully someone is working on getting all this information in one place here. I think this thread is extremely valuable and I applaud you Jeff for asking the question.
Hopefully someone is working on getting all this information in one place here. I think this thread is extremely valuable and I applaud you Jeff for asking the question.
With Diacetyl being found in analog cigarettes they would have a hard time arguing that e-liquid should be banned while analogs are allowed to be sold.
There are a few flavors I carry that do contain small amounts of diacetyl, and I can tell you how much. I've been looking for diacetyl-free flavors to replace them, particularly Pina Colada, which is my highest. I don't use the higher diacetyl content flavorings such as Butter or Yogurt.
Pina Colada: 0.0005 mg/ml
Vanilla Cinnamint: 0.00007 mg/ml
Tiramisu: 0.00004 mg/ml
Butterscotch Cookie: 0.000018 mg/ml
Cappuccino: 0.0000012 mg/ml
All others: 0mg/ml
Note this is just from a consumer perspective for clarification, not any attempt at a justification or a safety claim. When you breathe in vapor, you are using about (high over-estimate) 0.1ml per drag. The average person breathes in about a liter per breath, although when vaping most people take larger inhales. Assuming a liter inhale, you will be getting 0.05ppm from my Pina Colada when you vape (in the breath). Once it reaches your lungs it will be diluted to <0.01ppm, and generally it is quickly exhaled.
In a cigarette, there is 600 times as much diacetyl as there is in 1ml of my Pina Colada. In the popcorn factory the 8ppm and greater concentrations would stay in the lungs constantly.
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hi folks,
just so it is said from us personally.
this hysteria over diacetyl is just that, chicken little the sky is falling. Please. do some research before folks start getting hysterical.
remember the lab rats in the 70's that were feed so much sugar substitute that folks were crying about sugar substitutes? well, those subs are still out there and being used today. I see them at the restaurant every time I go out.
Not sure why, or who, started this hysteria thread but come one, really?
We are all vapers here. Pamela and I spend a ton of money on our pg/vg and nicotine. way more then almost all other dealers. we do it for your health. we don't use anyone other then FlavourART in Italy for a good reason, the other companies do not produce as fine a product. Good evidence is your atomizers dying in a month or two where ours, and those of our users last 6 months or more. pure is pure. We will continue to buy the finest out there no matter what it costs.
We let this thread run its's course. As you can all imagine, there are dealers out there who do all they can to slow down other dealers because their bottom line is being affected.
Look at all of this long before you cast a shadow on an industry, or a dealer, trying their best to bring the best.
We eat popcorn all the time. just breathing air these days is bad for you.
FlavourART in Italy is licensed and pured by their division of the fda. they worked hard to get that licensing. the fda here in the U.S. will no doubt do their own testing. In the end we all benefit from that. me personally? at my age it is hard to put stock in what any government tells me is good, bad or indifferent. I vape. i vape all day long and I feel good. a heck of a lot better then I felt when I smoked marlboro's for 20 years. I am sure you all feel the same...
Feel free to do your research folks, but let's stop taking swypes at each other on this fine board...
just so it is said from us personally.
this hysteria over diacetyl is just that, chicken little the sky is falling. Please. do some research before folks start getting hysterical.
remember the lab rats in the 70's that were feed so much sugar substitute that folks were crying about sugar substitutes? well, those subs are still out there and being used today. I see them at the restaurant every time I go out.
Not sure why, or who, started this hysteria thread but come one, really?
We are all vapers here. Pamela and I spend a ton of money on our pg/vg and nicotine. way more then almost all other dealers. we do it for your health. we don't use anyone other then FlavourART in Italy for a good reason, the other companies do not produce as fine a product. Good evidence is your atomizers dying in a month or two where ours, and those of our users last 6 months or more. pure is pure. We will continue to buy the finest out there no matter what it costs.
We let this thread run its's course. As you can all imagine, there are dealers out there who do all they can to slow down other dealers because their bottom line is being affected.
Look at all of this long before you cast a shadow on an industry, or a dealer, trying their best to bring the best.
We eat popcorn all the time. just breathing air these days is bad for you.
FlavourART in Italy is licensed and pured by their division of the fda. they worked hard to get that licensing. the fda here in the U.S. will no doubt do their own testing. In the end we all benefit from that. me personally? at my age it is hard to put stock in what any government tells me is good, bad or indifferent. I vape. i vape all day long and I feel good. a heck of a lot better then I felt when I smoked marlboro's for 20 years. I am sure you all feel the same...
Feel free to do your research folks, but let's stop taking swypes at each other on this fine board...
Ok I took this info from a pdf linked earlier in this thread. I'll link again after pasting the table where analog cigarette smoke was analyzed, and some percentage of diacetyl was found. I am not sure what measurements they are using and was hoping someone could tell how much diacetyl is in analogues.
I know that might be hard to see, but you can make out Diacetyl pretty clearly in the list.
Here is the link to the pdf.
There was a post earlier about some of the inherent flaws in comparing the two on a apple/apple basis because of the differing temperatures, the effects of other ingredients on it, the way it may be vaped, etc. Frankly, though, if we want to continue to say that vaping is safer than smoking, shouldn't be striving to get pretty much as much that was in a cigarette out of our juice? The fact that it was in cigarettes is not a particularly comforting fact regarding it's presence in juice.
But here was an interesting quote from the NEJM that I found interesting in which early studies seem to show that it is less dangerous to handle diacetyl than it is to inhale butter-flavored vapor.
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM200212123472417
Indeed, necrosis of the respiratory epithelium in the mainstem bronchus was more severe in rats exposed to butter-flavoring vapors than in rats exposed to diacetyl alone
For the record necrosis=cell death, mainstem bronchusung
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