Ask your favorite suppliers to remove diacetyl from their e-liquids!

[RIMP]

We are ALL guinea pigs
You have NO idea what is in most of the juice you've beeen vaping. What type of extra chemicals, trace chemicals, bacteria etc.....
No disrespect to anyone using asian juice, but please, they may be using extenders that can cause kidney failure for all we know. They put melamine in baby formula to make a couple of bucks. That said, I choose to support American made juice. Nothing is perfect but, judging from the way I feel, and the response of my attys, FSUSA has the cleanest liquid I've found so far.This is a business in it's infancy. I will continue to patronize American juice suppliers. I would be pleased to try some other vendors, point me in their direction. You have no idea what is swept up from the floors where our beloved cigarettes were made. But we smoked them just the same.

Life is a gamble, nothing is for sure. But this carrying on about which vendors this and that is rediculous

The sky isn't falling, at least not right now If you're concerned about a specific vendor, don't buy from them. End of rant. No offense meant to anyone
RIMP

 

[markarich159]

And how many gallons of this has already been vaped?

of the USA made, homebrew type, very little comparitively. Remember, for the majority of time vaping has existed, 90% of eliquid has come from one source, Dekang.

 

[Edwv30]

We also have to remember that many people have switched to vaping who already have damaged\diseased lungs. I recently bought my mother EGO kits and juices because she has end stage COPD and refuses to quit smoking. I would never forgive myself if I gave her something that ended up destroying what is left of her lungs.

 

[SimpleSins]

We are ALL guinea pigs
You have NO idea what is in most of the juice you've beeen vaping. If you're concerned about a specific vendor, don't buy from them. End of rant. No offense meant to anyone
RIMP

Actually, RIMP, this is pretty much the point of the thread. We don't know what all is in them. But we do know some of the bad things that are in them. And if a vendor refuses to be transparent about what ingredients he uses (short of specific recipes) or misleads as to the content of the juice manufactured, then this is something for people to be aware of.

It is impossible for people to avoid diacetyl if the vendors do not acknowledge using it and, if so, what juices it is present in. There are apparently enough of you that are comfortable enough taking chances with chemicals that no vendor will lose any business when a number of who feel that vaping has given us another chance to maybe make a few smarter choices this time around to buy our juice with a little more caution.

 

[mgmrick]

Sorry one more post. So you get a provider who says I do not use xxxxx. Now you just take his word?

 

[SimpleSins]

Sorry one more post. So you get a provider who says I do not use xxxxx. Now you just take his word?

As best you can. Which is why, unlike you, I don't necessarily see regulation as a horrible horrible thing; my only problem would be the prolonged process of it all, not the regulation itself.

And you take them at face value after doing your own due diligence. There was one vendor who said diacetyl wasn't used. Then it was shown that it was indeed used. We are more than able to ask a vendor whose flavorings they use. We know some of the ones with no diacetyl. If the vendor uses one of them, we take his word for it, yes, until proven otherwise. Which is why character and integrity are pretty important in this business, and a vendor's take on diacetyl is pretty important in determining that.

 

[bombastinator]

and now we're entering the realm of the FDA. I'm really torn about the FDA lawsuit. on one level it will potentially increase safety, on the other it could very easily ban them all together or cause a monopoly which would drive the pricing into the stratosphere like that ridiculous nasal spray that is basically the same as an ecig chemically, but costs over a thousand dollars a month.

It's become a question of perhaps not enough control or way way too much.

 

[Bovinia]

Sorry one more post. So you get a provider who says I do not use xxxxx. Now you just take his word?

No offense intended here mgmrick, but have you read this thread? The whole thread? Read the posts Rolygate has made, and Markarich159. Roly has given great advice on what to ask from your vendors and Mark has given invaluable advice from a medical perspective. Many other great posts full of information about the proven risks of this chemical and how to avoid it.

 

[FieryOne]

I don't understand why you guys would even want to use FlavourArt when they are the only FDA (UK equivalent) flavoring company mentioned that still even uses diacetyl. There are several US flavoring companies that are FDA regulated and don't use any so there is no possibility of them or you making a mistake.

I'm confused by that too. I'm not sure that I really understand all the concern. This chemical is still in use and still FDA approved isn't it? Now I certainly wouldn't use flavors that contain it as my all day every day vape, but in small quanities...meh.

 

[mgmrick]

But...do we know about all the chemicals involved in juice. Only one thing is going to happen fda takes over and now we have no juice as there is a million products out there that are bad for you. Companies that have money get approved for use those that do not....bye bye

 

[frisco]

and i am waiting for someone to respond..but this thread keeps on, with its politics..yes i know analogs were worse for me. but if i have a choice to stick with the safest ejuices possible, then what is wrong with that? so someone PLEASE answer my question. (see my post below)

I just emailed Kat from Velvet Vapors. I was pretty certain based on her philosophy that her juices were diacetyl free and she concurred. You can add her juices to the list.

 

[DC2]

Someone correct me where I'm wrong please, but here is what I've gatherered...

Diacetyl is necrotic, and very much so, which I believe means it kills your lung tissues.
Eating some is not so bad, but inhaling it is shown to be extremely bad.

How much is bad?

Anything that kills your lung tissues is bad.
Or do you want to try and figure out how much lung tissue you can kill before it's a major problem?

The bottom line is there is no need for anyone to be using flavorings that have diacetyl in them.
And those that do, well, there are a lot of us that won't be giving them business.

And so we enter into the realm of potential lies.
Get the house in order, or get ready for the FDA to win.

 

[SimpleSins]

But...do we know about all the chemicals involved in juice. Only one thing is going to happen fda takes over and now we have no juice as there is a million products out there that are bad for you. Companies that have money get approved for use those that do not....bye bye

With all due respect, I think you've glossed over some of the more important parts of the thread. We know that our juice has some combination of PG and/or VG, maybe some alcohol or water, maybe PEG for some people, and the ambiguous flavorings. And it is those flavorings that contain the diacetyl. So unless a vendor says, "Yes, my butter juice is made with Flavourart butter flavoring", we have no way of knowing what is or isn't in there.

And, frankly, we have no way of knowing what's in them period. We trust that it's not something knocked over in the kitchen counter or from a bottle that the cat wasn't licking up on the work table. Which is why we should have as much information as possible to try to make the safest possible decision that we can comfortably live (a long time) with. Your threshold is obviously different than mine.

 

[Seabrook]

Hey, could someone refresh my memory please, I stayed up too late last night, LOL. Which company was the company that LOCKED their thread closed when an ECF member was asking them if they had diacetyl in their products? Am I mistaking, or did that really happen? Please and thank you.

 

[SimpleSins]

Hey, could someone refresh my memory please, I stayed up too late last night, LOL. Which company was the company that LOCKED their thread closed when an ECF member was asking them if they had diacetyl in their products? Am I mistaking, or did that really happen? Please and thank you.

At the risk of starting a flame war, let's just say it was one of the newer vendors to get their own forum "room" as opposed to the catchall board. It wouldn't take too long reading starting from the bottom to find said locked thread.

 

[texastumbleweed]

well that is VERY good news, considering i just got my first order from them TODAY! i got bananas foster and honeydew melon. both delicious.

I just emailed Kat from Velvet Vapors. I was pretty certain based on her philosophy that her juices were diacetyl free and she concurred. You can add her juices to the list.

 

[Seabrook]

At the risk of starting a flame war, let's just say it was one of the newer vendors to get their own forum "room" as opposed to the catchall board. It wouldn't take too long reading starting from the bottom to find said locked thread.

I went back 10 pages on the thread and couldn't find it. Could it have been deleted entirely do you think? Can someone PM me please. I wanna know. Please and thank you.

 

[Bovinia]

we need a delete your post button

 

[texastumbleweed]

what? no way!!! i am SO SO SO disappointed! I cant believe this. And this was one of my favorite suppliers and i have raved about them all over ECF!
i will NEVER order from them again, if this is TRULY true!

FSUSA is the one

 

[GiMante]

what? no way!!! i am SO SO SO disappointed! I cant believe this. And this was one of my favorite suppliers and i have raved about them all over ECF!
i will NEVER order from them again, if this is TRULY true!

It is Truly True