Best tobacco for flavor extraction
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One of my favorite tobacco blends for extraction: The Smoker "St James" is no longer available for sale. Wish I had known how rare the blend was, would have stockpiled. 
That's good to hear. With the pipe tobaccos I've gotten from P&C I've just popped the top and put the tobacco into the jars with no drying. The five or so that I've filtered seem fine though.
The Dunhill Flake has expanded a bit. At first it was very sweet. Now, it's gotten fuller and deeper with a little of the hay flavor but has yet to get the grassy/biting aspect I was looking for. Much more enjoyable now than new though.
The Dunhill Flake has expanded a bit. At first it was very sweet. Now, it's gotten fuller and deeper with a little of the hay flavor but has yet to get the grassy/biting aspect I was looking for. Much more enjoyable now than new though.
Str8, do have more good tobaccos extracted ? Could you make a new list, please ?
Did you ever try Dunhill "Elizabethan Mixture"? IF I remember correctly it had a strong grassy, straw, hay-like bite and was moderately strong in flavor.
You can scratch The Smoker "ST James" off that list, no longer available for sale
I'll go through my notes and make a new list of my favorites, may take a few days.
I've got that in the jar now. Just tapping my foot waiting...
P&C had a Dunhill sale a couple of weeks back so I stocked up on Elizabethan, Flake, Nightcap, Morning, Standard, Navy Rolls...
I'll go through my notes and make a new list of my favorites, may take a few days.
Thank you Str8, a new list would be great.
Whats about all the 240 tobaccos you dont liked very much. This could be interesting too. I dont want to spent a lot of bugs and time for tobaccos that are not very good for extracting. I want to get your experiences to avoid it.
The best thing for this thread could be a list at the first page, which we or you can update perhaps every month. But i dont know if it is possible.
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I don't post the names of tobacco blends I didn't like because taste is highly subjective between individuals, those I don't like may turn out to be someone else's favorite. The one exception involved McConnell’s "Pure Perique", it yielded an extract so vile and horrid I discarded it and the tin of tobacco it was made from. Most of the tobaccos I've extracted didn't taste bad, their extracted flavor simply didn't impress me personally.
Unfortunately, you can only "edit" a post for a short period of time, I really wish ECF would change this rule so that a "list" on the first page could be kept up to date. I'm sure they have good, valid reasons not to, but it would be handy if we had more editorial control over our posts.
Unfortunately, you can only "edit" a post for a short period of time, I really wish ECF would change this rule so that a "list" on the first page could be kept up to date. I'm sure they have good, valid reasons not to, but it would be handy if we had more editorial control over our posts.
Here's an updated list of tobaccos that extracted well and suited -my- taste, but remember taste is "highly" subjective;
Some of these were originally extracted using cold and hot PG methods, haven't tried them with hot ethanol yet because I still have ample amounts of their extracts in storage.
- Sutliff "Voodoo Queen" -(moderate flavor, requires significant aging)
- The Smoker "St. James" -(one of the best but no longer available)
- Dunhill "Nightcap" -(robust and flavorful)
- Hearth and Home "Louisiana Red" -(moderate flavor, requires significant aging)
- Cornell & Diehl "Mississippi Mud" -(robust and flavorful)
- Cornell & Diehl "Billy Bud" -(moderate to robust, distinct cigar note)
- Cornell & Diehl "Super Balkan" -(robust)
- Dunhill "Elizabethan Mixture" -(moderate to robust, grassy hay-like note)
- Cornell & Diehl "Old Joe Krantz" -(moderate to robust flavor)
- Cornell & Diehl "Sunset Harbor Flake" -(moderate flavor, requires aging)
- Gawith and Hoggarth "Brown Irish X unsliced" -(robust but not very complex)
- GL Pease "Cumberland" -(moderate to robust, requires aging)
- Hearth & Home Signature "Virginia Spice" -(a little grassy with cigar and vanilla notes)
- Sutliff Private Stock "Molto Dolce" -(aromatic flavored tobacco, best enjoyed fresh, changes with age)
- Rocky Patel "Vintage '90" cigar -(Light to Moderate flavor, best cigar I've found so far)
Some of these were originally extracted using cold and hot PG methods, haven't tried them with hot ethanol yet because I still have ample amounts of their extracts in storage.
Cool. This is a big list. I am thinking i have to buy in the usa. I have only found the dunhill nightcap in germany. It tastes good, but its not very strong. I have extraced it 10 days ago and mixed it at 15 percent. Perhaps we have a different taste. I like only full and strong flavouring. I have extracted some pipe mixtures but i am searching for a separatly taste of viginia, burley, turkish, latakia, all fire cured and cigars. My next tobaccos are waiting. I have bought:
Mac Baren vintage syrian
Mac Baren acadian perique
Mac Baren latakia
Mac Baren bold kentucky
Robert McConnell latakia
Robert McConnell pure latakia
Bentley london pine
Samuel Gawith black xx
Samuel Gawith sottish autumn
Solani aged burley
Torben Dansk kentucky usa
I am searching this fire cured flavouring, that i have found in the smoked latakia and the dark fired from net.com. I mean this tastes a little bit more like a burning tobacco. Do you know some of these tobaccos ?
Mac Baren vintage syrian
Mac Baren acadian perique
Mac Baren latakia
Mac Baren bold kentucky
Robert McConnell latakia
Robert McConnell pure latakia
Bentley london pine
Samuel Gawith black xx
Samuel Gawith sottish autumn
Solani aged burley
Torben Dansk kentucky usa
I am searching this fire cured flavouring, that i have found in the smoked latakia and the dark fired from net.com. I mean this tastes a little bit more like a burning tobacco. Do you know some of these tobaccos ?
I am thinking about not wasting all the good and expensive tobacco and extracting them with the best method i can find. I ask myself many questions.
1. Is it better to steep the tabaccos a few weeks before the hot ethanol extraction and not only 3 days ?
2. Is it better to let the tobacco with ethanol in the jars for a few weeks after the hot extraction ?
3. Is it better for flavouring to pass on mixing the extract with pg and let them in the reduced ethanol like you ?
4. Is it better to make the extraction for perhaps 24 hours and perhaps with other temperatures ? Or for example 12 hours and than reducing the temperature ?
5. to do the extraction with only pg and must look how gunky the extract would be ?
Perhaps i will try all the steps with my favourite rolling tobacco american spirit. I dont know what to do.
What of these steps have you tried ?
1. Is it better to steep the tabaccos a few weeks before the hot ethanol extraction and not only 3 days ?
2. Is it better to let the tobacco with ethanol in the jars for a few weeks after the hot extraction ?
3. Is it better for flavouring to pass on mixing the extract with pg and let them in the reduced ethanol like you ?
4. Is it better to make the extraction for perhaps 24 hours and perhaps with other temperatures ? Or for example 12 hours and than reducing the temperature ?
5. to do the extraction with only pg and must look how gunky the extract would be ?
Perhaps i will try all the steps with my favourite rolling tobacco american spirit. I dont know what to do.
What of these steps have you tried ?
i answered in bold. if you don't want to waste your tobacco just make smaller batches.. a few grams of tobacco and 30ml of PGA should be enough to get you around 10ml extract when done (if you're careful not to spill any, or let too much soak up in the filter).
the only other advice i can give is to experiment.. try small batches with different techniques. there is a lot of useful information in the heated PGA thread, i suggest spending an hour or so reading the entire thread, you will find more answers and tips Tobacco extraction using heated Ethanol
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An extraction of Nitecap should yield a strong flavor. If you are using it at 15% something is wrong, after the 75% reduction you should be using it around 5%, 15% should taste -terrible-.
I personally don't care for fire cured as a stand alone flavor but several of the tobaccos listed do have fire cured Kentucky in them. Perhaps someone who enjoys that flavor profile can help recommend a tobacco better suited to your taste preference. I'm more of a VaPer guy with a little Latakia and or Burley thrown in.
If you search back through the threads in this sub-forum you'd see where I've tried many different solvents, combinations (blends), of solvents and an endless variety of methods/techniques to extract flavor from tobacco -but- I was pursuing flavor that best suits my personal taste which may not be ideal for everyone. You can always try different ways of extracting the tobacco to see what works best for you. You might also try performing an extraction using hot PG as the solvent, that was my favorite method before I converted to using hot ethanol. The earthier flavor notes might just be what you are seeking. Hot and cold PG extraction are the methods most retail NET vendors use to extract flavor from tobacco. When experimenting only process one small extraction at a time in case it doesn't work out, that way you don't waste much. Here's links to cold and hot PG extraction threads; Cold maceration of tobacco
Slow Cooker Extraction of Tobacco and Tea I would recommend the hot PG method, quicker results. If I remember correctly I processed extractions for 3 - 4 days @ 145F and then filtered.
Over the years I've tried many NETs from NET.com, MVJ, GEJ and other retail vendors but didn't like them, most tasted anemic to me. NET.com had one called "Bombay" that I really liked. I like flavored NET but found the flavored NETs from retail vendors (like tRY-4.1 from NET.com or Vita Bella from GEJ), far too weak in flavor.
- Sutliff "Voodoo Queen" -(moderate flavor, requires significant aging) I got a large sample from Boomerdude and have mine jarred up waiting.
- Dunhill "Nightcap" -(robust and flavorful) Should be filtering this next week. It's time. The first blend I got from MVJ. Love it!
- Hearth and Home "Louisiana Red" -(moderate flavor, requires significant aging) Filtered and mixed a week or so ago. Marvelous!
- Dunhill "Elizabethan Mixture" -(moderate to robust, grassy hay-like note) It's in the jar now. Should be ready in a few more weeks.
- Gawith and Hoggarth "Brown Irish X unsliced" -(robust but not very complex) Waiting for P&C to get it and other G&H back in stock.
- Sutliff Private Stock "Molto Dolce" -(aromatic flavored tobacco, best enjoyed fresh, changes with age) This will be going into the jar this weekend.
- Rocky Patel "Vintage '90" cigar -(Light to Moderate flavor, best cigar I've found so far) Have two. Will also go into jars this weekend.
But you do now the hot ethanol extraction because of the gunk and the higher quality level of taste ? Were the juices stronger because of the longer extraction time ?
At the moment, i dont know what to think. I have some juices with 15 percent extract that are okay after 11 days of steeping or so far, not strong enough but stronger than at the first day. Perhaps i have only to wait a little bit. I have also a very cheap cigar extracted and its also 11 days old.
I can taste a little little little bit of the cigar but its to mild at 15 percent extract. To be a good liquid it has to taste 10 times stronger. I know, i have to wait. Perhaps i have to take a cigar with pg in a jar for a week and than extracting for 3-4 days as you have written. Than vaping the PG extract directly must be strong. What do you think ?
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If the ethanol extracts were reduced by 75% (evaporating 75% of the ethanol off), you shouldn't be able to mix them as a flavoring at 15%, doing so should taste nasty and plant-like, the equivalent of mixing an unreduced extract at >50%. Were these the extracts you didn't reduce but added PG to? If so we might need to calculate what mix ratio is appropriate. If these weren't reduced (concentrated), beforehand but were diluted by adding an equal amount of PG you might need to mix them at a much higher ratio like 30 - 40%. Here's a breakdown of extract mix ratios;
Using PG as the extraction solvent does produce a gunkier NET but it also yields different flavor characteristics from the tobacco. You should try a small, hot PG based extraction just so that you know how it tastes, you might like it and at least you'd know the differences between using PG and ethanol for tobacco extraction. I also suggest performing a small, cold (room temperature), PG extraction for the same reason. Experience is an invaluable tool for any extractor, the more you gain the better you're able to tailor extractions to suit your taste.
- An unreduced tobacco extract is typically mixed as a flavoring at 20% when making NET. When using ethanol as the extraction solvent this is an unacceptable ethanol percentage in the mixed NET which is why we reduce (concentrate), ethanol extracts before using them.
- An ethanol extract that is reduced by 75% (evaporating 75% of the ethanol off), is now concentrated and typically mixed as a flavoring at 5% when making NET, this is an acceptable ethanol percentage in a mixed NET.
- An ethanol extract that is first reduced by 75% (evaporating 75% of the ethanol off), then blended with an equal amount of PG would typically be mixed as a flavoring at 10% when making NET.
- An ethanol extract that is first reduced by 75% (evaporating 75% of the ethanol off), then blended with an equal amount of PG before evaporating the remaining ethanol off is typically mixed as a flavoring at 5% when making NET.
- An unreduced ethanol extract that is diluted with an equal amount of PG would need to be mixed as high as 40% when making NET.
Using PG as the extraction solvent does produce a gunkier NET but it also yields different flavor characteristics from the tobacco. You should try a small, hot PG based extraction just so that you know how it tastes, you might like it and at least you'd know the differences between using PG and ethanol for tobacco extraction. I also suggest performing a small, cold (room temperature), PG extraction for the same reason. Experience is an invaluable tool for any extractor, the more you gain the better you're able to tailor extractions to suit your taste.
Up early. Got coffee and started jarring up several tobaccos. The smell of this one was incredible! Beautiful and sorta decadent. Can't wait.
Others put in jars:
McClelland Craftsbury Collection - Frog Morton's Cellar - PipesandCigars.com
Hearth & Home WhiteKnight - PipesandCigars.com
Hearth & Home Marquee BlackHouse - PipesandCigars.com
Drew Estate Meat Pie - PipesandCigars.com (I've dug MVJ's version)
Sutliff Private Stock Molto Dulce - PipesandCigars.com
Seattle Pipe Club Mississippi River - PipesandCigars.com
Dunhill Durbar - PipesandCigars.com
Daughters & Ryan Three Sails - PipesandCigars.com
All of these cold PG maceration.
And as I'm typing I realize I didn't do the cigars...doh!
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