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There is no indication that the "Gospel of Thomas" was even suggested to the Council of Nicea to be included, thus it would not be proper to pretend knowledge of it's intentional "exclusion"....
Is it even possible that Jesus could have fallen to satan's temptation in the wilderness? If not, why did satan even bother?
Thanks for the warm welcome I look forward to sharing and learning something new.
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The Gospel of Thomas is considered a Gnostic gospel. The Gnostics reached the height around 150 and were all but gone by 250. There are many others written in the same manner as this one, regardless of the date of writing, regardless of their mention at council, they are not included in canon. I'd say that's pretty fair evidence of their intentional exclusion.
I agree, I think the Gnostics can be used as resource of information to some degree by scholars. Although there maybe facts found amoung the Gnostics the Spirit of Christ is very conflicting in these series of writtings. Hence why they were not added to the Bible. There has to be a solid foundation set before attemping to dig into these writing. It may be best to stay clear of these for the sake of new Believers.
For sure. This is the very reason I posted concerning the nature of the Gnostics and what they believed. These folks were at one time part of the early church but broke away into very heretical beliefs. Do not read these as inspired text. I agree with Jon, let's stick to the text of Matthew as this is what we are here to study.
Chapter 4 is about ready.
In a nut shell...Yes Jesus could have sinned if He chose to. He was fully man and for Salvation's requirements He had to face temptation as you or I would. Remember Jesus just spent a long time fasting and the desert. He was weak and vulnerable as would any man be in that state. Hope this nut shell helped.
The fasting thing is interesting. I've heard that some people have something like 10 lbs of fecal matter stuck to the lining of their intestines. I wonder if thats true? 
Thats a really good word. I love it!
" The devil does not doubt that Jesus is the Son of God. It should be translated, "Since you are the Son of God" There is so much to be said here about that statement. How is it that our enemy at times has more faith than we do at time.
" The devil does not doubt that Jesus is the Son of God. It should be translated, "Since you are the Son of God" There is so much to be said here about that statement. How is it that our enemy at times has more faith than we do at time.
Matt 4:8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.
I have a question about this.... I had a few conversations with muslims about this scripture. This scripture is used in their theology to disprove Jesus's deity. Stating "How is it that the devil took or lead God somewhere or any where for that matter? If He was or is God this would not be so...
Any light on the matter would be great.
I have a question about this.... I had a few conversations with muslims about this scripture. This scripture is used in their theology to disprove Jesus's deity. Stating "How is it that the devil took or lead God somewhere or any where for that matter? If He was or is God this would not be so...
Any light on the matter would be great.
According to our Bibles the Holy Spirit led Him there. 4:1
I've never understood that either....of course if one does not accept the Bible then 4:1 really would not matter.
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Yeah but it said the "devil took Him up" I didnt really know how to explain it either. Thanks for tryin.
Jesus was being led by the Holy Spirit. If He were to be faithful to God, He would have willingly complied with whatever temptation Satan requested. I think the point is not that Satan "led" Him anywhere in particular. The point is that Jesus met him head on at any venue/place that Satan chose. Jesus was not being made to do anything by Satan...He was obeying the will of God.
"I think the point is not that Satan "led" Him anywhere in particular. The point is that Jesus met him head on at any venue/place that Satan chose. Jesus was not being made to do anything by Satan...He was obeying the will of God. "
Thats a good answer. I just need somehting that people who are looking to disprove the scripture can't argue with. It has to be in black or white. Keep in mind that faith will play no role in the reasoning here. so if it says "The Devil Lead" and I say well... thats not what it really means they will tell me that I am twisting my own bible to fit my own needs. See what I mean. Thanks for the good answer it does help the cause.
Thats a good answer. I just need somehting that people who are looking to disprove the scripture can't argue with. It has to be in black or white. Keep in mind that faith will play no role in the reasoning here. so if it says "The Devil Lead" and I say well... thats not what it really means they will tell me that I am twisting my own bible to fit my own needs. See what I mean. Thanks for the good answer it does help the cause.
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I always took it that Satan lead 'as in he was the first to go and get there" and then Jesus followed 'as in he knew the designation so he didn't have to actually track Satin."
you are correct Sir... I just wanted to be able to tear down those walls that been put up my misleading teaching. I dont see how I could minister to a man of another faith if I cant answer simple questions. Hopefully if I ever find myself in a situation like that again I will be ready in season and out.
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