Big Tobacco proposes open container tank ban for e-liquid
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That's I nice fuzzy thought. The reality is we will get more Obama's.
I just tweeted it, with the addition of ""Tweet this to your congressperson!!!" Those who won't watch Fox (I rarely do either, except for entertainment) probably do watch Twitter.
Andria
That's because 50% (or more!!!) of those who are NOT gay are absolutely appalled with the 3% that are, and want LAWS against it! Yep, they want to legislate morality, because God hates gay people, dontcha know. Yeah, I want to stick my finger down my throat everytime I run into someone like that, so I can barf 'separation of church and state' all over them. They're another class of puritans, just incensed that anyone might be doing something that THEY wouldn't do. Many of them are the same ones who consider vaping "smoking" and are just mad as hell that anyone is doing it, nevermind the lack of dangerous chemicals in even the FIRST hand vapor, nevermind the so-called "2nd hand vapor".
You can't fix stupid.
Andria
Its not even close to 50% most people dont give a {MODERATED}. Thats like saying 50% of people are racist. I think you watch to much MSNBC, CNN, and read too much huffington post. I bet you thought the gay population was around 10 - 20% that because the media wanted you to think thats what it just, same thing for bigots and same thing for e-cigs. They dont pick and chose, they follow the liberal agenda which states if your not a liberal you are wrong...sounds familiar
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I did actually think it was just a bit higher, but the main reason I care is that my son is gay, and I care a lot when people are hateful towards him for any reason, but especially for something that he did not choose; it's just part of who he is, and that is what the puritanical idiots don't get -- it's not a choice.
Andria
PS: And BTW -- I don't watch any talking heads at all, because they're ALL idiots; please do not be jumping to conclusions about ME.
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IMO, they will ban the sale of nicotine base, and shut down Vape shops selling their 'unapproved liquids'
The clearos, batteries, etc are nearly impossible to regulate; since they can be used with non nicotine based juice, etc
Customs dogs can't sniff out empty hardware either
My suggestion? Stock up on nic base guys
The clearos, batteries, etc are nearly impossible to regulate; since they can be used with non nicotine based juice, etc
Customs dogs can't sniff out empty hardware either
My suggestion? Stock up on nic base guys
The country shouldn't be run on social issues, it should be run on economic and global political issues. Not to belittle your son, or his journey but, hatred stigmas can not be regulated away or stopped in any way, everyone experiences them.
That's true, they can't; despite civil rights being a matter of law since 1964, there are still quite a few racists in America -- which actually surprised me, when shown examples of it by a very dear black friend. Or maybe it just disappointed me, because stupidity never actually surprises me anymore; it seems to be the default for far too large a proportion of the human race. But, what *can* be legislated, or actually, it doesn't even have to be legislated because it's right there in the Constitution -- separation of church and state -- which seems to fly right over the heads of those who decry this or that because "it's against God's law" -- they seem to forget that "God's law" is not the ruling entity of the US; the Constitution is, or is supposed to be. I have to emphasize that "supposed to be," because it would seem that even our gov't has forgotten about the Constitution.
Andria
That is not true. CASAA accepts donations from businesses all of the time. We just do not provide any quid pro quo (public acknowledgement of the donation, influencing CASAA policy) nor do we directly solicit donations (calling/writing directly and asking them for money.) However, we encourage our members to get vendors involved and ask those vendors to donate and keep their customers informed about CASAA. The only place CASAA draws the line is not accepting donations from companies that sell combustible products - not that any have been offered.
Active fundraising is full-time work that takes away from all of the other work that needs to be done. That is why we rely on members to get the word out. The board of directors cannot do everything on their own. We NEED members to step up and do their part.
I would be afraid to vape anything made by "big tobacco companys" who know's what other chemicals they would throw "in the e-liquid mix" That would continue to kill people
Well if we cant get them to smoke we gotta do something
Well if we cant get them to smoke we gotta do somethingNot going to disagree with that. I will however point out that the Constitution is only a piece of paper and is powerless. The power comes from the people that are willing to defend it and force the government to adhere to it. THIS is what the second amendment is actually all about.
Judging by the electorates recent performance none of that matters. When Al Gore was weeping crockodile tears talking about his dear sisters death from cancer in a pathetic (though successful) attempt at getting elected I was called a liar for pointing out that his sister smoked and worked for their family tobacco business. That is an "inconvenient truth"
United we stand, divided we fall. We are falling. To much foam finger go team political ideology.
If you know a way to actually solve problems by ignoring the problems do lay it on me.
It Isn't that.
If people want to Debate R vs D vs L, Great. Start a Thread about it and Have At It. Or if you Want to Take the Gloves Off, and Really Debate it, Start that Thread in the OUTSIDE Section of the ECF.
But when the R vs D vs L debate starts in a Thread Like this, then the Temper Fly and the Thread gets Closed.
And a Closed Thread Isn't doing Anything to help the People to Understand what BT is asking the FDA to do Regarding "Close System" e-Cigarettes.
I'm neither an R nor a D nor an L, I'm an *I* -- independent, a unique and individual person, who has to deal with political reality as I find it. There is no divorcing our battle with the FDA from the Rs or Ds because those are the parties that hold and wield power in the US, in varying and shifting amounts, nowadays pretty much based on who's paying them to vote their way. It really seems to me that no longer are we the USA, but have become the $SA, and THAT is the actual battle we face, whether it's e-cigs or banking or mortgages or whateverthehell.
Andria
Just say'n that when the Debate becomes more about Banking or Mortgeges or the 2nd Amendment from a R vs D vs L vs I stand point, than about e-Cigarettes, we get the Shouting Matches like we did around Post #104.
Actually the "shouting matches" are really more about those who do not understand how to discuss/debate, but resort to insults in a lame attempt to bolster their points and attack their opponents', and that is true regardless of the subject matter, regardless of the medium, regardless of the venue.
The political reality is that those parties are what exist, and the labels we put on them really don't matter one bit -- they're really all the same, as someone else pointed out, as witnessed by how they seem to swap sides from time to time -- when the Republican party was first created, traditionalists wanted nothing to do with it; it was the upstart, radical party, whereas the Democratic party was solidly for tradition, old-school values. Now it seems to be entirely the reverse. So who cares what labels they wear?
We used to be able to count on our lawmakers to at least be governed by the laws they created, even if occasionally they were less than morally upright. Now our lawmakers seem to feel they're above the law, and can do anything they please, as long as it puts more money in their own pockets and the pockets of those who've paid them to vote a certain way. And that's exactly why I'm an independent -- I *try* to figure out which candidate is less venal than others -- which is very difficult to ascertain sometimes, but still worth trying to find out.
Andria
I couldn't Agree with this More.
When an Individual has to Resort to Personal Attacks and Insults, it is Hard for me to Take him Seriously. I am just Glad that the Mods decided to put a Stop to it Without having to Close this Thread.
Because the Topic of this Thread is Very Important. And Represents a Worst Case (but Possible) Scenario. And a COMPLETE Collapse of the e-Cigarette Market as we Know It.
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