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Lessifer said:
no, not after today. This is a committee hearing, after this another committee for most of them(appropriations), but don't expect opposition there. Then they go to the floor. I forget the specifics there, I think they have to be voted on separately and then figured out how to be put together to make one cohesive law?
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Thank you. Haven't started and brain already in a blender. You are correct on your question. They go into a blender also.
 
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FlamingoTutu said:
:cry: I don't think deviously enough to decipher these adequately.
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I Do. That is why People either Really Like me. Or they Really Don't. LOL.

Lessifer said:
Right, and I don't know if CA has a limit on the number of tobacco retail licenses like other states have.
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The Big One is Zoning Requirements.

I had a shop in a Strip Mall at one time. I couldn't sell tobacco Products (even thought I didn't want to) out of it because the Zoning would not Allow it. To close to a School.
 
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Katya said:
Doesn't have to be there--all tobacco products are subject to PACT by definition????
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No, definitely not.

The PACT Act is Federal, and lists the specific tobacco products it applies to.
It would have to be amended by Congress.
 
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zoiDman said:
I know of Nothing that would Restrict Out of State Internet Sales. That is, as long as you have a License to sell "Tobacco Products". See post #256.

Not sure How they would Enforce the 21+ age limit for Cal Residents for Internet Sales?
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Technically speaking, the PACT Act is a federal law and e-cigs were specifically excluded from that law. I remember those battles well. :facepalm: OTOH, if the FDA deeming rules change that... I don't even want to think about that.

They can demand cc age verification for Internet sales. They already tried once--we fought that battle before and won--at least temporarily.
 
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zoiDman said:
Does Anyone have a Feed yet for the Assembly Public Health and Developmental Services Committee?
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Not yet, refreshing, refreshing

DC2 said:
No, definitely not.

The PACT Act is Federal, and lists the specific tobacco products it applies to.
It would have to be amended by Congress.
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I did some quick google searches the other day but couldn't find anything banning online tobacco sales in CA, just a program that BOE set up to collect taxes on them.
 
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Katya said:
Technically speaking, the PACT Act is a federal law and e-cigs were specifically excluded from that law. I remember those battles well. :facepalm: OTOH, if the FDA deeming rules change that... I don't even want to think about that.
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Just to clarify a bit more...

The PACT Act did not specifically exclude electronic cigarettes.
It specifically included those tobacco products to which it applied.

The FDA deeming electronic cigarettes as tobacco products would still not cause the PACT Act to apply to them.
Congress would have to amend the PACT Act in order to have electronic cigarettes fall under it's umbrella.

But that doesn't keep the states from doing it themselves.
Probably through "Extraordinary Sessions" or whatever.
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Lessifer said:
no, not after today. This is a committee hearing, after this another committee for most of them(appropriations), but don't expect opposition there. Then they go to the floor. I forget the specifics there, I think they have to be voted on separately and then figured out how to be put together to make one cohesive law?
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I can't imagine any of it would become law without the Governor's signature. I can't imagine him not signing, though.
 
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