CALLING ON THE VAPING COMMUNITY TO CONTACT PRESIDENT TRUMP

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I don't see it. I mean, he could certainly lose, but not over vaping. The split in this country is cultural. If a Republican candidate could win while supporting tariffs, eminent domain and ballooning deficits, do you really think vaping is the deal breaker?
The last presidential election was very close. Clinton won the popular vote, but Trump won the electoral college vote. What was the difference? 10,000 votes?

How many vapers are there in the US? I think there are enough voting vapers that could mean the difference in the next election.

Trump says he is extremely loyal to his voting base. He needs to understand and believe that this issue could cost him re-election. That's why every vaper must contact the White House before he makes his final decision.

We crashed the White House switchboard yesterday. Let's keep it up.

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The last presidential election was very close. Clinton won the popular vote, but Trump won the electoral college vote. What was the difference? 10,000 votes?

How many vapers are there in the US? I think there are enough voting vapers that could mean the difference in the next election.
The key is not "how many vapers there are". The key is how many vapers who support Trump because of the wall, abortion, guns etc... would change their vote over a flavor ban?
 

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From what I saw on the evening news, perhaps the First Lady is the one the industry should call upon.
I doubt that he still sleeps with her after all the affairs that he's had. You think he's worried about having to sleep on couch? They probably have separate bedrooms. The only reason that she's still with him is because he is the President of the United States and she gets to be the First Lady. Oh, and don't forget the money.
 
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Everyone, everyone has a right to their opinion as long as it doesn't infringe on others and it's within the law. If they want to bash the President they have an absolute right to do so, it's called Freedom of Speech, President Trump would be the first to agree. Just as you have a right to your opinion.

My personal opinion is there is too much hatred in this World already. I would never speak ill of my President (in public or to him) poke a bit of fun at yes, that's our right. He is whether we like it or not our President at least until next year.

When he's actually got more chance of taking a wizz in the Queens handbag, than of me voting for him. :shock:

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I have no problem with people's rights; but this is a forum and there are rules that don't allow for free speech. If you are just posting here to bash the President.Take it Outside.I don't want the moderator to close these threads.
 

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However, this flavor ban on vaping hits me to my very soul. No way will I vote for him if he enacts a flavor ban. This action may well cost his re-election.

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What a True Catch-22.

Don't Vote for the Administration that Extended the FDA Compliance Dates. Giving Us the ability to Buy what we Want. But Banned Flavors that would have been Banned 6 Months Later anyway?

Vote for the Presidential Candidate who's Party has Spearheaded the Relentless Assault on e-Cigarettes for the Past 10 Years?

All I can Say is I am Glad I am Not a Single Issue Voter. Because if I was, that would be a Conflicted Choice.

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I still believe it is mostly because he has been given bad information and that if we were able to get in his face, such as on Twitter, which he does himself, and would see, he might re-think what he did. The recent hospitalizations have been conflated with nicotine e-liquid, how very many lives have been saved from the latter and that it is harm reduction from smoking cigarettes and not intended for people who have never smoked, and he needs to know that vapers vote. Maybe I am being naive, but this is what I think.

Barron got busted with a Juul. Melania went ballistic and went to him. Azar weighed in with "vaping deaths" and we can't be certain what the cause is yet. Donald gets tough.

It's not hard to follow where this came from.
 

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I'm a registered Republican, but I'm actually an independent voter. I've voted both Republican and Democrat over the years.

I agree with many of Trump's policies, and disagree with others. During his campain Trump promised to deregulate many business policies to help small businesses to compete, and he did sign several deregulation executive orders. I had high hopes that this would carry over to the vaping industry.

However, this flavor ban on vaping hits me to my very soul. No way will I vote for him if he enacts a flavor ban. This action may well cost his re-election.

Banning flavored e-cigarettes might cost Trump reelection
I've been registered as everything thru the years, Rep, Dem, Indpt. I know all sides pretty well. Just for the record I didn't like trump in 1980's and him becoming Prez did not change my mind. I like him less even now. But the fact he is Prez affects me and I don't like his actions.
 

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The last presidential election was very close. Clinton won the popular vote, but Trump won the electoral college vote. What was the difference? 10,000 votes?

How many vapers are there in the US? I think there are enough voting vapers that could mean the difference in the next election.

Trump says he is extremely loyal to his voting base. He needs to understand and believe that this issue could cost him re-election. That's why every vaper must contact the White House before he makes his final decision.

We crashed the White House switchboard yesterday. Let's keep it up.

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He is not loyal to his base, just ask a farmer who voted for him in droves. He is losing his base the more he screws them over.
 

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Barron got busted with a Juul. Melania went ballistic and went to him. Azar weighed in with "vaping deaths" and we can't be certain what the cause is yet. Donald gets tough.

It's not hard to follow where this came from.
Is this confirmed, or just speculation?

Trump: "We haven't told him anything, except 'don't vape. Don't vape. We don't like vaping. I don't like vaping."

But this could have been a precautionary talk. Any indication that he was actually caught vaping?
 
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Barron got busted with a Juul. Melania went ballistic and went to him. Azar weighed in with "vaping deaths" and we can't be certain what the cause is yet. Donald gets tough.

It's not hard to follow where this came from.

If (arguably) the Most Ransom-able Child on the face of the Planet, while being under Constant Surveillance by not only the Full Force of the United States Secret Service but also Private Security Operators, who's ever move is Choreographed and Planed, can get a hold of an e-Cigarette, what chance does Joe Public have in keeping His or Her son from getting a hold of an e-Cigarette?

I think this Story is Great Copy. And adds a touching human element angle... "Mom catches Son using e-Cigarette. Now Mom is Concerned."

But I would say that Whoever Cooked it Up is Laughing their Azz Off every time they see it Re-Posted.

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The United States needs the heavy hitters in the industry itself, the money makers, the big industry based named to group together into one single trade group entity and meet the lobbyists head on. The cold hard fact is this...without the industry itself backing up advocacy...NOTHING will work. What happened yesterday proved that, because if a trade group with billions in collective turn over had managed to lobby the Presidents advisors, Trumps speech last night, Melania's tweet the night before, and bloombergs $160,000,000 anti vaping fund would have been forgotten about, or not happened at all.

As long as the vaping industry itself in the US remains silent, it will be run rough-shod over by every single anti vaping twitter group, lobbyist, and media mogul...

I hate to say it, but unfortunately I believe that it IS big industry that is behind this flavor ban, primarily JUUL/Altria. Consider these facts:

In a 2019 presentation to a room full of financial analysts, Altria made clear that Altria and JUUL intended to work together to:

Encourage FDA to take industry-wide action by banning retail and vape store sales of all non-traditional flavors until the youth issue is otherwise addressed, such as by the use of advanced age verification technology or premarket authorization.

You can find the presentation here: http://investor.altria.com/Cache/1500117496.PDF?O=PDF&T=&Y=&D=&FID=1500117496&iid=4087349

Why? Because a flavor ban would be beneficial to JUUL.

As reported in the San Francisco Chronicle, "A nationwide flavor ban might actually help Juul, which has an estimated 70% of the U.S. e-cigarette market, by bringing its competitors in line with what Juul has already done voluntarily. Juul in November halted the shipment of most flavored pods to U.S. stores, with the exception of mint. The move halved Juul’s U.S. revenue, Burns said, because the vast majority of Juul’s sales come from retail stores. Any new FDA regulations on flavors would hurt only Juul’s online sales, which Burns says make up less than 10% of its U.S. revenue."

You can find the full article here: http://investor.altria.com/Cache/1500117496.PDF?O=PDF&T=&Y=&D=&FID=1500117496&iid=4087349

And, lastly, guess who donated $500,000 and attended a special candlelight dinner with Trump and Melania? Altria, owner of 35% stake in JUUL.

"Altria/Philip Morris is no stranger to Capitol Hill. Between 1998 and 2004, the company and its affiliates spent more than $100 million lobbying the federal government, making it the second most active lobbying organization in the nation, according to the Center for Public Integrity.

"The tobacco behemoth is also no stranger to Trump, donating $500,000 to his inaugural celebration. The Wall Street Journal reported donors who gave $500,000 or more to the celebration fund were invited to a special “candlelight dinner” event during inauguration weekend with President-Elect Trump, Vice President-Elect Pence and their spouses.

"That cozy financial relationship, viewed in the context of Wednesday’s announcement, doesn’t sit well..."

See: https://www.lp.org/libertarians-vaping-industry-condemn-trump-vaping-ban/

I feel like the anti-vaping crowd is being played while, like Brer Rabbit, JUUL/Altria begs not to be thrown into that briar patch known as a flavor ban.
 

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I hate to say it, but unfortunately I believe that it IS big industry that is behind this flavor ban, primarily JUUL/Altria. Consider these facts:

In a 2019 presentation to a room full of financial analysts, Altria made clear that Altria and JUUL intended to work together to:

Encourage FDA to take industry-wide action by banning retail and vape store sales of all non-traditional flavors until the youth issue is otherwise addressed, such as by the use of advanced age verification technology or premarket authorization.

Unless the FDA exempts mint and menthol from any upcoming flavor ban, Juul will be hurt. While Juul/Altria could have lobbied for a flavor ban, they may get more than they wanted.

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Unless the FDA exempts mint and menthol from any upcoming flavor ban, Juul will be hurt. While Juul/Altria could have lobbied for a flavor ban, they may get more than they wanted.

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Is it going to Hurt JUUL anymore than it is going to Hurt Everyone Else?

And How Many Companies are going to go Belly Up when they can No Longer sell flavored e-Liquids?
 

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Is it going to Hurt JUUL anymore than it is going to Hurt Everyone Else?

And How Many Companies are going to go Belly Up when they can No Longer sell flavored e-Liquids?
I can see why Juul, which BT has a stake in, would not be harmed to the extent of other, likely mom & pop firms. The fact that they are the brand name that seems married to this topic is evidence, IMO. Who else besides a tobacco company will be best to already have the strategy and marketing to work around some pesky ban on flavors?
 
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I can see why Juul, which BT has a stake in, would not be harmed to the extent of other, likely mom & pop firms. The fact that they are the brand name that seems married to this topic is evidence, IMO. Who else besides a tobacco company will be best to already have the strategy and marketing to work around some pesky ban on flavors?

JUUL can weather this Ban. Because it Isn't like Many people are going to Move to Something else to find their Flavor.

No Body is going to have Flavors.

But JUUL also has a PMTA all but Ready for to be Submitted. How Many other companies can say the Same? So JUUL will keep Rolling even when the FDA Drop Dead Hits.

Unless something Extremely Unlooked for happens, the Prospect for the e-Cigarette Mark and for Vapers look Bleak.
 
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