Cheap genesis style tank...interesting!
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Is all this really necessary? Why don't you find a place to test the product in question and bring your results if you want to make a valid point. Until then let people do what they want to do without ridiculing. Do you protest about fluoride in the drinking water, or killing innocent people to steal crude oil?
Here you go Fluoride Action Network | 50 Reasons to Oppose Fluoridation. Need I post about war? Why we keep moving from one place to another killing woman and children when the other people ran out of the crude.... How about the fact that we are forced to think that we only have two candidates to vote into the white house. Both will make life worse for people that cant afford a real DID. The point is that we have other real issues in the world. Spreading fear over something that's unknown should not be one of them. So bring some facts please.
Now about the cars. If we put the big 3 up on a pedestal then we must ask why so many of the parts to make them are made over sea's. IMO we should be boycotting them. If not cause they give our jobs away and take our bail out to make parts that break, but are cheaper. Then for the fact that gas is higher then ever yet they purposely make cars that get bad MPG. Need proof of that? Here you go. Fuel Economy: Then and Now - MSN Autos In 1992 a metro got 60mpg. Where did that car go? They killed it. Now hybrids get less MPG. When I work on my American cars I need metric tools. Nothing wrong with any of that though?
harmudge is obviously a noob and doesn't know 90% of vaping products come from china.. i sense some serious hate going on here.. really? 11 and 12 year olds making vape gear in sweat shops? really?
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you totally missed the point i was trying to make,my point was about being a hypocrite
we breath emitted gasses from cars and know it is bad,but still we continue to do it every day,
states had a bad quality issue too,though it has been many a year since then
why are the chinese the only ones that have to produce documentation\testing for their products ??
what actual proof is there that jim is usually 100% safe materials for his did
one last comment,,calling it the "chinese did" is totally legal by united states law
you totally missed the point i was trying to make,my point was about being a hypocrite
we breath emitted gasses from cars and know it is bad,but still we continue to do it every day,
states had a bad quality issue too,though it has been many a year since then
why are the chinese the only ones that have to produce documentation\testing for their products ??
what actual proof is there that jim is usually 100% safe materials for his did
one last comment,,calling it the "chinese did" is totally legal by united states law
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'bout to say, I don't see any $150 atomizers providing materials certification and documentation.... the would end up costing like $400 
Let's look at what we are really talkin about here...........some chunks of metal with POS and NEG posts........kinda surprised this is so heated.......fun to watch tho i guess
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Let's look at what we are really talkin about here...........some chunks of metal with POS and NEG posts........kinda surprised this is so heated.......fun to watch tho i guess
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Striker I'm not getting into a flame war here nor do I intend too...
1) I'm not ridiculing anyone...people can do as they please and obviously purchase according to budget.
2) I don't protest about fluoride in drinking water, and I agree with you that, that is an additive to a natural product.
3) I have never killed anyone in my life...nor have I ever stole crude oil...governments may have and yes I do use the products of this mineral in my everyday life the same as most people on the planet.
4) I think you may need to look at the left of your screen to see that I'm not an American so all this war stuff is fairly redundant with me...yes the U.K are involved in wars around the world...and before you get all hett up, I'm not an American hater...but generally the U.K forces have a more softly softly approach where as the U.S forces generally go in all guns blazing...hence causing more problems than solved.
5) The White House...couldn't care less...please refer to number 4 above.
6) Not so long ago you were posting in the DID thread yourself...maybe not about this issue, but you were posting...you obviously don't have any loyalty to a decent vendor who admittedly is probably making a decent living from selling these things but also listens to what his customers want and gives good c.s.
I too agree that there are a lot of issues in the world that need solving...and these copies are the least of everyone's worry's....but I just had to clarify with you my feelings on your comments as to me at least they seemed fairly aggressive.
Valid points on both sides of this "issue".
Truth be told, I enjoy that it's being called a DiD copy. I'm excited about how excited peeps are at finally being able to have a DID-like genny in their stable.
But, on the other hand, ... Truth be told...
I worry about the quality of SS with lead (so far they (the copiers) have skirted the question, they "refuse" to state which grade of SS it is). If it were top quality, or even quite good quality, they would shouting it from the rooftops. But they're not. They're squirming. They know we know about "lead" and the grades of SS that contain lead, etc.
I worry that newbies to this genny, will not like it, and will then compare the real DID with their Failed copy DID.
The DID copy is NOT "just as good, just as awesome" as the original. It has it's own problems, it's own quirks, to deal with, that the original doesn't have. I feel it's a disservice to Jim, to tout it as "just as awesome". It's also hurting those who give up on their copies, thinking it's as good as it gets. They don't "know" that the original DID's cap is precisely punched, they don't KNOW that Jim uses top quality SS, they don't KNOW that a copy can be drilled out but that it might tarnish and rust... but Jim's original DID won't. (except the brass posts, which is another topic for another day). I don't know for a fact, but I believe Jim has top notch SS nuts and posts in his DID's, unlike the copies that will have "cheapest".
I just hope that the word COPY remains in the description of the DID COPY.
I can see it now... "wahhhh. I bought a DID and the brass rusted badly after I drilled the hole larger, because the stupid hole was too small and not positioned properly. I'm never buying another one again! I can't believe *this* is considered a "great" genny! Why would they copy leaded materials???"
Well, that's a tad over the top today... but not tomorrow.
It's flattering today, to be worth copying, to be the topic of a frenzy. But what about tomorrow when all those DID COPIES that were a "little bit off" turn things around with complaints? I'll never buy the original if THIS is what they're like!
It's a catch-22.
Hence, the tension.
The DID is AWESOME!!!!!! If you have problems with your copy, please don't think that the DID will have the same problems. (air hole, wick hole, lead, size,... oh yes, the size for the OCD among us... the copy is larger than the Mini DID, the MINI fits perfect .... oh nevermind).
It's fun getting the feet wet in an affordable way, but please, don't tout it as "just like and just as awesome" as the original. That's a disservice.
Truth be told, I enjoy that it's being called a DiD copy. I'm excited about how excited peeps are at finally being able to have a DID-like genny in their stable.
But, on the other hand, ... Truth be told...
I worry about the quality of SS with lead (so far they (the copiers) have skirted the question, they "refuse" to state which grade of SS it is). If it were top quality, or even quite good quality, they would shouting it from the rooftops. But they're not. They're squirming. They know we know about "lead" and the grades of SS that contain lead, etc.
I worry that newbies to this genny, will not like it, and will then compare the real DID with their Failed copy DID.
The DID copy is NOT "just as good, just as awesome" as the original. It has it's own problems, it's own quirks, to deal with, that the original doesn't have. I feel it's a disservice to Jim, to tout it as "just as awesome". It's also hurting those who give up on their copies, thinking it's as good as it gets. They don't "know" that the original DID's cap is precisely punched, they don't KNOW that Jim uses top quality SS, they don't KNOW that a copy can be drilled out but that it might tarnish and rust... but Jim's original DID won't. (except the brass posts, which is another topic for another day). I don't know for a fact, but I believe Jim has top notch SS nuts and posts in his DID's, unlike the copies that will have "cheapest".
I just hope that the word COPY remains in the description of the DID COPY.
I can see it now... "wahhhh. I bought a DID and the brass rusted badly after I drilled the hole larger, because the stupid hole was too small and not positioned properly. I'm never buying another one again! I can't believe *this* is considered a "great" genny! Why would they copy leaded materials???"
Well, that's a tad over the top today... but not tomorrow.
It's flattering today, to be worth copying, to be the topic of a frenzy. But what about tomorrow when all those DID COPIES that were a "little bit off" turn things around with complaints? I'll never buy the original if THIS is what they're like!
It's a catch-22.
Hence, the tension.
The DID is AWESOME!!!!!! If you have problems with your copy, please don't think that the DID will have the same problems. (air hole, wick hole, lead, size,... oh yes, the size for the OCD among us... the copy is larger than the Mini DID, the MINI fits perfect .... oh nevermind).
It's fun getting the feet wet in an affordable way, but please, don't tout it as "just like and just as awesome" as the original. That's a disservice.
One time ... and one time only... Keep the personal attacks out of the conversation.
I do care for my health, personally. Did you even read my previous posts about mitigating risk?
Basically. Even if the metals used are cheap. It's negligible, and unproven what actual harm these metals can do in conjunction with juice in a tank. Just like it's unproven what vaping stainless steel mesh, in conjunction with juice is... Saying a cheap tank metal is worse than an SS wick with no proof either way is pure speculation. To say you might as well spark up an analogue is simply wrong. Scaremongering.
I do think there are some who will only use expensive unobtanium mods. This is completely fine. What does grate is when these selfsame people come here and denigrate cheaper products, simply because they are cheaper. Without having even tried one.
I have already said that it is out of order for the Chinese manufacturer to call the device a DID. It is. I'm also not taking away the hard work that goes into a DID. (Because of this, I own one, and will probably get another one too)
I also feel that if there are cheaper devices available. EVERYBODY can have a Genesis. Anyone who thinks this is a bad thing is basically a PV snob. You are welcome to your expensive mods, and I'm sure they are excellent too. But please don't go scorning people by scaremongering and speculation, who can't afford them and want to try something cheaper. Vaping is for everybody. Genesis atomisers should be for everybody. It's your own personal choice what you buy.
Scaremongering without proof makes you look almost like you are threatened by the cheaper products. It's not a good look.
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Admittedly I am fairly new to vaping...been about 6 weeks or so...and yes I agree a hell of a lot of stuff comes from China...and I also agree that there does seem to be a lot hate floating about....the sweat shop thing, obviously I was saying this tongue in cheek but tbh I would not be surprised in the slightest...you can't say all Chinese manufacturers are the same but a hell of a lot of these people only care about profits and make their employees work horrendously long hours in dismal conditions with no health and safety considerations whatsoever.
Since we have the little cheeky bit at the bottom of your post here goes...
Grandad, I ain't peddling no political ideologies around here but if you want to purchase naff inferior products made by kids with no human rights or safety considerations at all whatsoever...you go ahead, and let it be on your conscience.
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'bout to say, I don't see any $150 atomizers providing materials certification and documentation.... the would end up costing like $400
Let's look at what we are really talkin about here...........some chunks of metal with POS and NEG posts........kinda surprised this is so heated.......fun to watch tho i guess
Agreed mate, it's peoples attitudes.
Yes. Thank you. If you really love the DID, shouldn't you be happy that more people will be able to give it a try?
Maybe they won't all end up buying the original, but if genesis atomizers are really "where it's at", why would you want them to remain elite and highly expensive?
Unless that's what makes them "so cool". Is it no longer cool if just anyone can have one?
Maybe they won't all end up buying the original, but if genesis atomizers are really "where it's at", why would you want them to remain elite and highly expensive?
Unless that's what makes them "so cool". Is it no longer cool if just anyone can have one?
Classwife, I agree...but if someone is sniping at me I don't take it lightly, I bite....and tbh I don't want to upset anyone but at the same time I don't take people upsetting me either...so I apologise...but I'm a fighter and I bite when provoked.
It's true, that some Chinese companies do operate really bad workplace policies. IE Foxcomm. The company who manufacture Apple products. However, because most vaping products do come from China, we can't really get away from this fact to be honest. Like I said before, make your own decisions about risk and also what you think is ethical. If you didn't buy any Chinese vaping products, you wouldn't be vaping, full stop. I'm not having a go mate and I get your points. But you simply can't avoid China if you vape.
I'm personally getting more into the whole rebuildable scene, and quite frankly, I'd buy from EU/US vendors 100%. If only their products were freely available. The reason I got a DID Mini was because it was freely available. Everything else simply isn't. That exclusivity does then lead you to look elsewhere, for similar products. Hence China.
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I ordered one of these and it will be here tomorrow. i will give a nice honest review after the first build....
harmudge.....Yamaha Blue through and through!!! cheers
harmudge.....Yamaha Blue through and through!!! cheers
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Asha, that is a fairly fair post and I agree everyone can have a Genesis...but I ain't no snob, mate...I work darn hard and save my cash to buy quality gear whatever it may be...my train of thought is...buy cheap, buy twice...because generally, not all...but generally, cheaper stuff will fail long before quality stuff will and you will be shelling out again and it ends up more expensive in the long run.
Even although this has nothing to do with the discussion in hand but I'm using this as an example...I'm a chef and I obviously work with other chef's...now my knives cost me a fortune 1 was over £190...my small set must be about £700 as I using a Pro range of Globals (if you don't know them..google them) they produce a more housewifey range and a proper drop forged range...obviously I use the later...now at work, some of the other guy's use cheaper equipment and are sharpening 2-3 times a day...me, one sharpen a week and I'm good to go...that is the difference of quality and that is me...I want quality, some may not and that is their choice...but be prepared to be replacing again shortly.
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