believe me im all for helping, and love this forum, anything to help people stay off cigs is the main purpose. you got me all wrong and don't mean to sound condescending at all, was just wondering where the name dragon came from?
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believe me im all for helping, and love this forum, anything to help people stay off cigs is the main purpose. you got me all wrong and don't mean to sound condescending at all, was just wondering where the name dragon came from?
I see, my apologies then for misunderstanding. The dragon comes from the double plumes of vape, thats why its called that I believe.
I'm guessing at around 3 ohms for your coil, or at least above 2.5 ohms. If you'd like to get your ohms down with the 32, try folding a length of wire and wrapping both wires side by side as if it was one wire. I'm guessing again, but I'd think 8 wraps (16 coils) would put you in the 1.1 to 1.5 ohm range. It works better than twisting the 32 imo, especially for a nano coil.
Actually its metering out about 1.6... I do kinda wanna try that parallel wrap though. Gonna try it on Sunday when I get back to work and my kit that I left there. 
I think the sub-millimeter coil is entertaining, if difficult to work with.
Edit: just for reference, that coil is 0.028" ID. 2.5mm long.
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I think the sub-millimeter coil is entertaining, if difficult to work with.
Edit: just for reference, that coil is 0.028" ID. 2.5mm long.
Sent from my SGH-T889
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I know where you getting at and I appreciate your inputs and constructive views. As for your question on where the word "dragon" came into place... I guess we can call it from a creative playful mind? What do you think?
I don't really want to upload more video's on my 65Stop Youtube account as I mainly use it for my car related videos but you can check my snippets on my Instagram feeds.
I also have successfully done this build in single and dual coil setup for myself and many others locally and so far I have all positive feedbacks from vapor production even from short draws/inhales, flavor, an increase in TH. minimal heat generation that heats up the top cap and for being efficient with longer battery life.
If you think it's a flawed build or needs improvement... then by all means, do give some tips and pointers, it will be appreciated much.
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Actually its metering out about 1.6... I do kinda wanna try that parallel wrap though. Gonna try it on Sunday when I get back to work and my kit that I left there.
I think the sub-millimeter coil is entertaining, if difficult to work with.
Edit: just for reference, that coil is 0.028" ID. 2.5mm long.
Sent from my SGH-T889
Yeal, it's much smaller than I thought. I used to build those type coils some back when they were called the spin-E coil. You might want to try a large needle or something for the duel wire build to keep your coil length down unless you want to go sub ohm. I'd say a large needle is about as big as you can go though.
I'm liking the parallel wrapped 32 pretty well. Heat up is fairly quick and, just as important to me, cool down time is fairly quick as well as there's not a large mass of metal there. I don't chain vape but I do three or four puffs in a row and then pause for a while and repeat. Sometimes that pause isn't very long either. With the 1.2 to 1.4 ohm builds I'm doing, my devices get warm but never very warm, let alone hot.
dual "DRAGON" coil at .284Ω 28g nichrome round wire...
*don't try this at home
*don't try this at home
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iTEO, this video showing how much potential vapor production is amazing. I thought I had a "decent" build on my AC9 from last week, but seeing the plume jets really underscores just how much room for improvement there is.
bravo! now, off to the work area to see if a sub-ohm coil is workable.
Well the Russian is a exact duplicate of the kayfun 3.1, all parts are interchangeable. I initially tried a micro coil build, using silica, but found the silica wick couldn't keep up and would get dry hits. Didn't have any cotton at the time, and wasn't thrilled about re-wicking the coil every other day. Then I came across this thread and saw Cyrus Vap's build on the Russian 91%, the K-lite copy, post #94 and jumped on board. I saw also that this was simply a micro build but with the cotton on the outside, making re-wicking much easier. I dubbed Cyrus comment about the dragon goes Volcanic, and started referring to the verticall mounted coil as the Volcanic Dragon. Just sounded kewl. lol. I also thought that this design in the vertical version could enhance the kayfun pressure equalization system with the air intake at the bottom. Things were good, and happy with the build then I cranked it up to 15 watts, and was surprised at the thickness of the vape, more juicy taste to it, and how cool the vape remained at such a high wattage. And you have to admit that it looks like a volcano when test fired. lol
Any who, while I admit that the initial coil setup on the vertical mount takes a bit more time than the micro build does, the ability to re-wick it more easily makes it worth the extra effort IMO. Since I never had the micro fine tuned with cotton, I can't give an honest comparison between the 2. But what I have, I really, really like. I've been on my current wick for 4 days now and still vapping strong and the same coil for about 9 days. I'm going to try a dual coil setup, but have to wait for more wire. lol. But the bottom line is whatever gives one the best vape for them, that's the one to use. This has been the best build I've experienced, so far, with any atty I've used so gonna play with the dragon some more.
Vape long and Prosper!!
Hey vapdivrr! I wasn't trying to muddy waters with names, sorry if I did. To be honest I was using "mini coils" (10 wraps of 30 kanthal, touching on a 14 gauge needle) far before "micro coils" became a thing, the idea for which I took from staring at my hh .357 long enough and wanting to have an easily reproducible, consistent way of setting up my RBAs for aunt lydia's yarn (pull 6 threads through the coil, get rid of one. 14 gauge and 5 threads is perfect). Also came from listening to gdeal and BJ43s thoughts on maximizing surface area for denser vapor. My point is I know all about seeing new names and thinking...why? So again sorry if I mucked this up.
I was just under the impression that actually 'pressurizing' the vapor by having the coil more or less surrounded by cotton (and nothing on the inside) was ITEO's idea, or take on nano coils. I had heard of the coil on a cotton bed but not the coil 'buried' in cotton. So I threw that name out there when I did it on the Russian. As for who 'created' any of these things not a big deal to me. In reality Raidy created the genesis, someone chinese created the dragon (anyone remember vertical coil cartomizers?) and cisco created nano/micro coils...I guess. And if someone "unpublished' beat them to it, who cares right?
Anyway back to serious matters! That R91...I tried numerous horizontal micro coil builds and they were good but I find this far superior. For some reason the flavor and vapor is much more dense and the wicking is flawless. I can also push this much hotter than I was able to a horizontal coil. I know most people have great success with horizontal micros in the KFL style gear but for me I've always had a love hate thing with bottom air/top fed GG style tanks. Wicking always seems to lag for one.
Keep in mind that I use little to no PG, and when I vape its very long hits, high watts, and I tend to chain. So it may just be that I'm driving these things to hard. But I could never abuse a bottom coil tank the way I do my Reo and other feeder RBA set ups and get consistent performance...or a genesis. Hence my daily set ups for a long time have been feeder + RBA or Genny, and now mech + RBA. But with a vertical set up like this its on par, and also different, from all of the above and I can vape normally for me...
Call it what you want friends, I'm just a horse!
EDIT: And to be honest my friend, my FIRST inspiration to use a vertical in the R91 came from you...I saw when you posted that you were toying with it and were going to post updates
. I had a hunch that orienting the coil vertically would take better advantage of the bottom airflow some how, X2 with an open ID coil...
I just didn't do it till ITEO got me all riled up with the vape videos lol
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Hey folks just a reminder on the kayfun and clones that just covering the side air hole and giving a couple of little pulls without firing will saturate the wick. Even if it's wicking great, giving a little dry puff with the air hole covered every four or five puffs gives you that saturated wick vape just like dripping or sqonking and it's easier to do as well.
New coil built on the trident.
Single coil
28g kenthal
11ish wraps around large paperclip (0.052" )
1.0 ohms off the provari
I may be getting the hang of this!
Glowing nicely
Some shotty cotton work
And bam!
This juice isn't my usual 50/50 mix. Its 80/20 which I'm glad because I don't think they would still let me vape in my office if I had my normal mix.
Breaks over back to work!
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Single coil
28g kenthal
11ish wraps around large paperclip (0.052" )
1.0 ohms off the provari
I may be getting the hang of this!
Glowing nicely
Some shotty cotton work
And bam!
This juice isn't my usual 50/50 mix. Its 80/20 which I'm glad because I don't think they would still let me vape in my office if I had my normal mix.
Breaks over back to work!
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Yes, I knew this and works great, but can seriously flood the chamber it pulled on to hard, or at least this is what I've heard. lol. I use this technique when I get that bottom of the tank, running out of juice kind of dry hit hit, especially if I don't have any spare juice on me and need a vape. I'm wicking so well that I don't need to do this unless I've gotten my cotton quotients wrong, using the Volcanic Dragon micro nano Wilbur build. lmao, or whatever it's called.
Looking good my friend, so how many watts you pushing through the Provari on your build? I'm assuming you mean 80%PG cause I'm doing 80%VG and getting clouds, need to clean my car windows, but don't have to worry about tint no more.
haven't really been following that much, what caught my eye was a mention of the kayfun or Russian a couple pages back. this build was something that I was messing with a couple weeks back, it was a vert coil like in a carto. I eventually concluded that in the end it didn't perform that different to a regular micro in the kayfun. anyways when I seen something similar to this a couple pages back I posted my comments and findings on the comparison, also asked why your coil was called the dragon. watching this video I can see why, way cool. so as for imput? like I said I haven't really followed it that much because I don't really use drippers. I have a kayfun and reo and a couple of gennys. but the only thing I have found when using low resistances is a thicker wire produces a better flavor imo. I like using 28g to about .8, anything below that I use a thicker wire. the lowest I go is .65 and for that I use 26g wire. I do believe the 26g would produce a better flavor but also will slow response time. will read thru more pages though. thanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YxLNODbSbM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Yeah, Can't understand why the PITD name never caught on. lol. I see no poop, I see a Dragon. Yeah, call it what you like, micro dragon style, drunken micro, nano banana, Volcanic Dragon, Romulan Warp Core. Hmm, Romulan Warp Core!! I like that, kay I'm changing the Vucan Dragon to Romulan Warp Core, wait, hmm, Vulcan Dragon?? Hmm I like that!! K, hmm, how about The Klingon Bird of Prey, or maybe , no, maybe not Klingon. ahh, how about the man we owe it all to, It's the Tom Eddison. hmmm. or maybe something cute like the Little Bunny Foo Foo Build!! Anything but Poop in the Diaper. The one thing we can agree on, is that these tiny little coils, hopping in the cotton, work like a Nuclear Reactor in meltdown. hmm Nuclear Reactor? I like that!!
Vape Long and Prosper!!
Vape Long and Prosper!!
Well, I was more wanting to know if I was missing somethin because that is always likely
..When the cotton is dry, it definitely looks like a cute little turd in a diaper. LOL
Just FYI....it is PID, not PITD
Speaking of Tom Edison, did you know that Ben Franklin was a total ladies man (man wh*re)! HAHA
Back to the regularly scheduled huge vapor production.......Good work guys!
..When the cotton is dry, it definitely looks like a cute little turd in a diaper. LOLJust FYI....it is PID, not PITD
Speaking of Tom Edison, did you know that Ben Franklin was a total ladies man (man wh*re)! HAHA
Back to the regularly scheduled huge vapor production.......Good work guys!
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