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Zealous

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Only place I have found that I trust are sites that offer the item upon release if it is brand new! *E.X - Vaperev.com
There aren't any clones made so I know what they are selling is legit.
When I see people selling or companies selling items that have been cloned I tend to worry.

I like vaperev too but I haven't purchased anything from them. But I would have bought my kayfun mini from them if they'd have had it in stock.

I have a favorite vendor I used to get a lot of stuff from when I was still buying atty heads, tanks, etc. That site sells genuine parts but they do carry a few clones of mods. But they make it clear they're clones & they're not the type with the logos & serial numbers on them. If they're upfront about what they're selling I think that's still a plus for that vendor. I still won't buy them though since I don't trust the product.

There is another vendor in my state that sells clones though. That one sells them & never specifies they're clones even though it's obvious they are. AND what's worse is they're marked up pretty high considering I recognize the clone from FT. That's the sort of vendor I stay far far away from.
 

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Clones are basically counterfeits unless the product has been contracted out.

If people rely on patent infringement to dictate counterfeits than, I don't know what to tell you.

But every hobby has counterfeits/fakes. In golf there are many fake clubs and drivers. In cars there are many fake wheels and parts. In watches there are many faked high end watches.

It's one thing to buy the fakes. But be proud of buying them? Now that's laughable.

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Proud to buy fakes? Where did I state that I'm proud to buy fakes? I wouldn't be proud about buying authentic vape gear either, makes no difference to me. I don't vape as a hobby, its not golf, or car parts or a watch. Got plenty of authentic golf clubs, watches, jewelry, designer wallets, etc.. those serve a different purpose for me.

I enjoy vaping as the preferred alternative to smoking cigarettes, and that's all there is to it. Clone or not, if the product works to my expectation, then thats what is important to me.
 
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Let me rephrase that highlighted sentence.
"Thats all I mean, it lets everyone have mech mods that are aesthetically pleasing to them."
When I bought my first mech mod, I bought it from a B&M store near me.
It was a nemesis clone.
Did I know who makes the original one? Yes
Did I know the price? Yes
I still liked the look of it and had 100 dollars in my pocket for a mech kit.

I like the designs, I own mech mods that are authentic too (recently). Why did I buy them? Aesthetics and functionality. Warranty is a huge plus.
A lot of mods are designed over seas and I can order from the Phillipines, Greece. That is the same as sending money to China - doesn't remain in the US.
Clones are widely available in the U.S too which is why vapers have them. Also, they aesthetically please them. If authentic prices were lower - they would be bought. But they have to be IMPORTED.
Not too many USA mods (that I have seen) are aesthetically pleasing and still functional.

Also -
Rolex is made in Sweden
Breitling is Swiss

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I also don't believe our vaping has a big effect on the economy, while there is some and every little bit helps.
All the juices I buy are made in the US and I support local B&M stores.


Uh.. Rolex and Breitlings are Swiss crafted.. If you bought a Rolex made from Sweden than sorry to tell you, but you overpaid..
 
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Proud to buy fakes? Where did I state that I'm proud to buy fakes? I wouldn't be proud about buying authentic vape gear either, makes no difference to me. I don't vape as a hobby, its not golf, or car parts or a watch. Got plenty of authentic golf clubs, watches, jewelry, designer wallets, etc.. those serve a different purpose for me.

I enjoy vaping as the preferred alternative to smoking cigarettes, and that's all there is to it. Clone or not, if the product works to my expectation, then thats what is important to me.

Just as authentics matter to people in other hobbies like it does for your hobbies and you, it is the same for vaping, as there are people that appreciate the originals vs counterfeits.

It makes a lot more sense for people who support authentic mods to be upset about the mass support for counterfeits, than it does for people being upset about the people being upset about counterfeits.. Of course this does not matter in a large scale as vaping has not been established in the real world yet as being a hobby, outside of this small bubble community.
 

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Just as authentics matter to people in other hobbies like it does for your hobbies and you, it is the same for vaping, as there are people that appreciate the originals vs counterfeits.

It makes a lot more sense for people who support authentic mods to be upset about the mass support for counterfeits, than it does for people being upset about the people being upset about counterfeits.. Of course this does not matter in a large scale as vaping has not been established in the real world yet as being a hobby, outside of this small bubble community.

I golfed with a buddy back in December who bought a set of "replica" Honma golf clubs in Korea. Does that upset me that he only paid $300 for a full set and I paid over 6k for mine? Not in the slightest bit, why should it??? I bought my clubs to fit my needs, and my friend bought his to fulfill his needs, I'm glad he likes it, and glad he can come play golf with me now. It doesn't affect my game one bit and it surely doesn't change the value of my clubs.

If you get upset that someone bought a knock off of something you have for far less, and enjoying it as much as you enjoy yours, well, then I can only conclude that you bought your device well above your means, or perhaps, you simply think too much about what other people do or have. You may want to switch your "hobby" to something less stressful then, maybe you can start collecting glass figurines, or take up egg coloring, whatever makes you happy.
 

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I golfed with a buddy back in December who bought a set of "replica" Honma golf clubs in Korea. Does that upset me that he only paid $300 for a full set and I paid over 6k for mine? Not in the slightest bit, why should it??? I bought my clubs to fit my needs, and my friend bought his to fulfill his needs, I'm glad he likes it, and glad he can come play golf with me now. It doesn't affect my game one bit and it surely doesn't change the value of my clubs.

If you get upset that someone bought a knock off of something you have for far less, and enjoying it as much as you enjoy yours, well, then I can only conclude that you bought your device well above your means, or perhaps, you simply think too much about what other people do or have. You may want to switch your "hobby" to something less stressful then, maybe you can start collecting glass figurines, or take up egg coloring, whatever makes you happy.

You talk about not caring about what other thinks about your gear, yet you bought Honmas for golfing? There more for status reference, especially among Asians then they are for playing golf FYI... Unless you think the blings make a difference.

Anyways.. I believe we're on the subject of ethical and moral values of counterfeits?


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I wouldn't say I'm "mad" but I think your statement is incorrect. I don't like clones of mods because I don't like playing a gambling game where I pay some money for an item & then hope I get one of the good clones of that item. I did buy a clone one time & that's exactly what my experience was. Mine didn't work at all. Others bought the same clone & theirs worked just fine. I'd much prefer to pay for the original & know it's going to work just the way it should. & I could care less if someone else bought the same item for cheap & theirs worked. It takes nothing away from my satisfaction over getting what I paid for.

Totally agree with you, you get what works for you, and that's really all there is to say. Everyone has a bar they set and you achieve that by your own terms. I think the real focus on this topic should be not so much on if a clone bothers you or not, but rather, if you get duped into buying something advertised/marketed as an original but turns out to be a fake.
 

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I think it's everything.

If I really cared how e-cigs, or cell phones, or computers, or TVs, or nearly anything electronic for that matter, were made, I would care more about the condition and treatment of the workers, the way a factory treats the environment, the fair and -- oh, wait, we're talking about China. Did you know you can't even see China from China anymore because of the pollution? You think smoking is bad for ya?

"I want my cheap crap now!" sums it up. And I'm as guilty as everyone else. But more and more, I try not to be ... such a consumer.
 

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"Build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door."-Ralph Waldo Emerson

But if you can't keep up with demand, or you can't keep you door open to customers, someone else will clone your mousetrap.

As should be apparent by now, the early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
 
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You talk about not caring about what other thinks about your gear, yet you bought Honmas for golfing? There more for status reference, especially among Asians then they are for playing golf FYI... Unless you think the blings make a difference.

Anyways.. I believe we're on the subject of ethical and moral values of counterfeits?


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Like I said, it shouldn't concern you what someone else has or uses.

"They are more for status reference, especially among Asians then they are for playing golf" Seriously? Comments like that really shows the type of person you are. Thanks for the heads up, now I can put you on ignore to replace the other troll that has moved on...
 

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No one cares what you buy with your own money. Why should you care what we buy? Go live your life, we'll live ours.

As far as owning a real as opposed to a clone, the only person who gives a crap is you and whatever group of friends you've fostered who care about the same thing. Show your genuine Nemesis or Caravela to someone who doesn't care and all of a sudden your costly investment means squat. The only people who care about those kinds of things are those people.
 
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No one cares what you buy with your own money. Why should you care what we buy? Go live your life, we'll live ours.

As far as owning a real as opposed to a clone, the only person who gives a crap is you and whatever group of friends you've fostered who care about the same thing. Show your genuine Nemesis or Caravela to someone who doesn't care and all of a sudden your costly investment means squat. The only people who care about those kinds of things are those people.

Good one .. perhaps when the PV becomes the de facto standard, an old Nemesis or Caravela will have some sort of mystique to it .. and they will be selling on eBay for triple the original price .. ;)
 

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Like I said, it shouldn't concern you what someone else has or uses.

"They are more for status reference, especially among Asians then they are for playing golf" Seriously? Comments like that really shows the type of person you are. Thanks for the heads up, now I can put you on ignore to replace the other troll that has moved on...

Uh. I was playing along with you, as I know you don't play golf when you mentioned Honmas... Honmas fits your play of style? uh sure? You do know why Honmas are expensive right? Its not because they are good, its because of the exotic materials they use (Gold cavities, diamonds etc).. I've never seen anyone use Honmas, and any golf players would choose Mizunos over Honmas any day.. What pro have you even seen endorse Honma's?

Nice try though in pretending.. Lets see a pic of your Honma clubs.. Cause that is probably the biggest waste of money for clubs to "fit your style of play"...

(i am guessing you googled "most expensive clubs"? Than came across Honmas. I would of believed you were a golfer more if you stated you had EPONS or Titleists, if you wanted to act like you had ultra-premium clubs..)
 
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No one cares what you buy with your own money. Why should you care what we buy?

Cause supporting businesses that make clones (by purchasing their products) is akin to supporting thieves/theft.

Does anyone care if thieves steal from others and sell 'their' merchandise? If yes, why? Why should you care what other people buy?
 
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