Any questions remotely along those lines were met with...
We're still investigating, or we're waiting for the final results, or nothing points to one specific chemical.
That's what I retained, maybe others can add more to that.
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Any questions remotely along those lines were met with...
We're still investigating, or we're waiting for the final results, or nothing points to one specific chemical.
That's what I retained, maybe others can add more to that.
"Let's wait for the studies..."
I've been dealing with this attitude for decades on cannabis legalization. I like to point out that the government won't let anybody do any studies.
In this case, few studies have been done, in this country especially (Chinese research is shrugged off), because nobody with the money to do it was interested. So they're going to wait for studies that haven't even begun, and are currently slated to begin the first Tuesday after never.
Straight from page 1 of the Prohibitionists Playbook.
I've been dealing with this attitude for decades on cannabis legalization. I like to point out that the government won't let anybody do any studies.
In this case, few studies have been done, in this country especially (Chinese research is shrugged off), because nobody with the money to do it was interested. So they're going to wait for studies that haven't even begun, and are currently slated to begin the first Tuesday after never.
Straight from page 1 of the Prohibitionists Playbook.
I extend thanks to Rep. James Comer of for the commercial for Kentucky produced hemp and CBD.
However, I might take exception with his statement that "...the sickness that happened and the deaths that came from CBD from people Juuling or using e-cigarettes with CBD...these were counterfit pods..."
That products linked to marijuana and THC have been implicated in the recent lung desease circumstances, I don't know that CBD per se has been a concern. I'm disappointed that Rep. James Comer has perhaps prematurely linked 'death to vaping CBD.'
Should there be further studies of vaping, nicotine, flavors and THC, perhaps more light will be shed on CBD uptake in a vapor.
However, I might take exception with his statement that "...the sickness that happened and the deaths that came from CBD from people Juuling or using e-cigarettes with CBD...these were counterfit pods..."
That products linked to marijuana and THC have been implicated in the recent lung desease circumstances, I don't know that CBD per se has been a concern. I'm disappointed that Rep. James Comer has perhaps prematurely linked 'death to vaping CBD.'
Should there be further studies of vaping, nicotine, flavors and THC, perhaps more light will be shed on CBD uptake in a vapor.
CBD, THC, whatever. When he said "from people Juuling or using e-cigarettes "you already know he has zero grasp of what he's even talking about. Other than apparently hemp is grown in his state.
It was bad but it's not over, keep the faith people.
They really made themselves look like ***k Heads
. Most had no intention of doing more than grandstanding. Creepy Uncle Joe's statement of a few weeks kept coming to mind 'we'll take truth over facts every time' their truth ain't mine.
@classwife did I restrain myself, or what? Thanks for being the Moderator you are, we all appreciate it more than you know.
I had to rewrite this 3 times
They really made themselves look like ***k Heads
. Most had no intention of doing more than grandstanding. Creepy Uncle Joe's statement of a few weeks kept coming to mind 'we'll take truth over facts every time' their truth ain't mine.@classwife did I restrain myself, or what? Thanks for being the Moderator you are, we all appreciate it more than you know.
I had to rewrite this 3 times
The taxes on the dispensary products automatically make them safe and a public health benefit--just like the combustible cigarettes are so much safer than nicotine vapes.
Even though they are not under any form of scrutiny or regulation by the FDA and the contents are still illegal under federal law.
I didn't expect much to come out of it. People who don't vape want the short simplified version, as is typical with any topic before congress.
E-cigarettes under fire on Capitol Hill as nearly 1 in 10 eighth graders vape
That's about all it takes too to sway a lot of voters, "vaping is bad", and for their reps to get on board if it means being voted in again. Most of our reps are not especially smart people either, they are just good at marketing themselves. Marketing has it's place, but when you hand over your business (or government) to marketing types, it's oh well don't expect a great outcome. At this point I expect most of congress believes they will get more votes for being anti-vaping then pro-vaping. After all, 'save the kids' is a good slogan, /headbang
E-cigarettes under fire on Capitol Hill as nearly 1 in 10 eighth graders vape
That's about all it takes too to sway a lot of voters, "vaping is bad", and for their reps to get on board if it means being voted in again. Most of our reps are not especially smart people either, they are just good at marketing themselves. Marketing has it's place, but when you hand over your business (or government) to marketing types, it's oh well don't expect a great outcome. At this point I expect most of congress believes they will get more votes for being anti-vaping then pro-vaping. After all, 'save the kids' is a good slogan, /headbang
The conversation needs to focus on the idea that "saving the kids" this time involves hurting the elderly.
All Congresscritters need the senior vote. Because we vote religiously. Where is AARP?
All Congresscritters need the senior vote. Because we vote religiously. Where is AARP?
It was bad but it's not over, keep the faith people.
They really made themselves look like ***k Heads
@classwife did I restrain myself, or what? Thanks for being the Moderator you are, we all appreciate it more than you know.
I had to rewrite this 3 times
That's the problem though, science has changed over time, it used to be the pursuit of truth and facts and now it's become a balm for whatever assuages emotion and the pursuit of money..
Knock us off and less worry about the SS Trust Fund (which technically doesn't even exist anymore).
Sad but the true thing is most of us don't spend a lot of time picking our reps. We do it based on some trivial reason like 'I like his or her face', I have heard of him or her before!, or sometimes it's because they sided with one issue that we agreed with (or said they did to get votes). Problem is even if the only issue on the ballot today was vaping, I don't know that we would win. We are still the minority. What might work is to focus on less government interference, that's a matter many can get behind.
Think of the Elderly. That should indeed be our new motto. If they want to manipulate emotions, two can play that game.
Like "think about grandpa"? Or would "think about grandma" be more compelling. I'm betting on grandma. Sometimes grandpas are all curmudgeons barking at kids in the neighborhood. Grandma is apple pie. Like the smell of a good, green apple pie vape.
Most Americans who bother to vote typically vote by party line. It's why everyone wants to be downstream of a winner at the top of the ticket. Most don't even know what their representatives looks like. Unfortunately, I live in AOCs district, so I have no choice but to know what she looks like. I wish I had known about the district before ending up moving here.
Not sure that is it, but a good motto can a long way toward making a difference. Most people just want something simple, emotional, catchy.
Very true too. Ultimately what we vapers are missing is some kind of easy, quick, appeal. I am not a marketing person, but a message that says vaping saved my life with emotion is what is needed. Reason and logic won't do it.
I think I'm gonna cross post this a few places.
I may be going bat
crazy at this point from all the bull but...
Children.
Do they let children speak at these things ? (after all...they are trying to SAVE THE CHILDREN !)
Vapers have children and grand children - and great grand children.
Children and grand children that are grateful their parent(s) / grand parent(s) switched from smoking to vaping.
Children that are grateful for how much better that/those parent(s) / grand parent(s) are since they switched.
Children that WANT their parent(s) / grand parent(s) to be able to continue to have this method of harm reduction available to them...and to have a choice other than smoking cigarettes.
Children that don't want their parent(s) / grand parent(s) to go back to smoking cigarettes.
CHILDREN !
Ask the children of VAPERS.
I may be going bat
crazy at this point from all the bull but...Children.
Do they let children speak at these things ? (after all...they are trying to SAVE THE CHILDREN !)
Vapers have children and grand children - and great grand children.
Children and grand children that are grateful their parent(s) / grand parent(s) switched from smoking to vaping.
Children that are grateful for how much better that/those parent(s) / grand parent(s) are since they switched.
Children that WANT their parent(s) / grand parent(s) to be able to continue to have this method of harm reduction available to them...and to have a choice other than smoking cigarettes.
Children that don't want their parent(s) / grand parent(s) to go back to smoking cigarettes.
CHILDREN !
Ask the children of VAPERS.
We've been doing vaping saved my life. No one cared.
Maybe we need more of a ban vapes, then ban cigarettes too as a public health emergency. Ban all tobacco products or none. It's clear the states believe they have the legal power, so how about banning Marlboros's too? We can appeal to the soccer moms. Worried bout Johnnie picking up a Juul? Now worry about Johnnie picking up a cigarette. Ban them all.
It would certainly put BT in an odd position of having to defend their cigarette business on a local and state public health level. No one ever thought about state bans on cigarettes. Let's toss it out there.
Can't wait to see how many smokers are suddenly interested in the entire vape debate when you tie them up like that.
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