Everyone who has gotten their Provari loves them. I just never cared much for the styling or function of it myself.
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You and I are tracking on the same page. It really doesn't impress me at all; simply not interested in another big tube with a big battery and a smart chip.
I'm not sure how I feel about the price point because it lifts the cap off what we're currently paying for badass mods. I guess its uniqueness - the whole consistent wattage thing - gives it some headroom but I'm gonna wait to see how fast my heart beats when the first reviewer lights up the screen with this baby. That's what I'm saying tonight. Can't tell ya what I'll actually do if I get another email inviting me to place an order.
$229? And I still have to fill cartos or carts, or drip, or attach an unwieldy Vape Mate?
Sorry, no.
For ME to spend that much money on a single device, it would need to address pretty much all the downsides associated with using currently available devices.
I was pretty excited about the power monitoring and regulation concept. The battery life issue seems more than reasonably addressed by the Darwin. The form factor is perfectly acceptable to me.
The only way I would fork out $229 for this device would be if it also included juice feeding functionality with a minimum capacity of 5 mL. But that's just me.
I hope Evolvapor does a tremendous business and I commend them on what sounds like an exciting innovation.
I still have an old CRT television in my living room. I really like the HD LCD's, LED LCD's, and Plasmas currently on the market, but they're still too pricey for ME to justify purchasing one. I'm content knowing that will eventually change. I view these "next gen" PV's in the same light.
I'll wait.
Sorry, no.
For ME to spend that much money on a single device, it would need to address pretty much all the downsides associated with using currently available devices.
I was pretty excited about the power monitoring and regulation concept. The battery life issue seems more than reasonably addressed by the Darwin. The form factor is perfectly acceptable to me.
The only way I would fork out $229 for this device would be if it also included juice feeding functionality with a minimum capacity of 5 mL. But that's just me.
I hope Evolvapor does a tremendous business and I commend them on what sounds like an exciting innovation.
I still have an old CRT television in my living room. I really like the HD LCD's, LED LCD's, and Plasmas currently on the market, but they're still too pricey for ME to justify purchasing one. I'm content knowing that will eventually change. I view these "next gen" PV's in the same light.
I'll wait.
To each their own. The tube doesn't excite me but it will hold my existing 18650's and is nice enough for what it is. The Darwin, to me, looks like a pencil case with a display and the flip-out atty connection looks odd to me. I'm sure it will be very successful and I wish eVolv the best of luck. It just isn't for me. I can calculate my wattage in the same or less time than the Darwin and adjust my voltage so at the end of the day, it came down to looks and price and for me, the ProVari wins. I'm not saying I'll never own a Darwin because that would far fetched, I'm just not waiting in line for an early order at the current price.
For some reason I hadn't considered a VapeMate on this mod. That would look awful. I'm with you. Just about anything other than a straight atty or carto would look weird and out of place on the Darwin. Tank mods, Imeo's creations, syringe mods, etc would all look pretty strange on the side of the Darwin.
I would be a little concerned about future atty development as there is very little room for a bigger connection, similar to a tank mod. What if, in a year or two, the perfect atty is made (far-fetched, I know). There is very little room for a larger diameter.
I also concur that only a juice feeder is worth that much coin, and then only maybe.
Just wait until the geeks start writing "Aps" for this thing. Then you'll see some interest.
I think it's a great looking device. I'm not in the market for a device but if I was I'd buy it. I'm very satisfied where I am though and I never did care what voltage I was vaping at but how my vapor, throat hit and taste are more important to me. I have a passthrough with volt/amp readout I hardly ever look at unless I'm testing. But this is a very nice mod..
As a "normal" user, my biggest gripe has always been consistency ( read - quality control ). Just when I find a setup that works, something changes from the mnf's end and my "vape" is no longer the same. There are so many variables ( voltage, amperage, resistance under load at the atty/carto; not to mention all the variables in juice and how the diff mixtures react to diff temps ) as well as diff types of devices ( mechanical & electronic ). If you take it for granted that wattage delivered to the element ( not taking into account all the diff builds for attys/cartos that provide diff vapor characteristics ) determines heat which in turn determines vapor of a particular juice ( and YES I've read conflicting opinions from the "experts" on this as well), and you stick to just one "type" of atty/carto, then a device which can adjust voltage and amperage "on the fly" to account for resistance leaves only the juice as a variable. Since I make my own juice and assume that I can maintain consistency there, this device should provide a consistent vape every time. That makes this device worth a lot in my book.
The only adjustment I might have to make is if I want one juice to vape a little hotter than another. I've read a lot of statements that says the VV device does the same but even if you use only one type of atty/carto you will still have varying ohms which will effect your vapor if the device is set to your sweet spot at 4.5v's. Case in point; Boge mega cartos come at 3.0 to 3.4 ohms and we all know that the variance is probably greater than that. If you use one carto at 3.0 ohms and another carto at 3.4 ohms but you voltage is set at 4.5v's you will not get a consistent vapor. If the VW device can take these variances into account automatically and on the fly, this is a big step forward to me. And before anyone states that you can change the voltage on a VV to take these variances into account; How many "normal" users do you know that are set up to test the resistance under load of each carto they use?!
Of course this is just my opinion.
The only adjustment I might have to make is if I want one juice to vape a little hotter than another. I've read a lot of statements that says the VV device does the same but even if you use only one type of atty/carto you will still have varying ohms which will effect your vapor if the device is set to your sweet spot at 4.5v's. Case in point; Boge mega cartos come at 3.0 to 3.4 ohms and we all know that the variance is probably greater than that. If you use one carto at 3.0 ohms and another carto at 3.4 ohms but you voltage is set at 4.5v's you will not get a consistent vapor. If the VW device can take these variances into account automatically and on the fly, this is a big step forward to me. And before anyone states that you can change the voltage on a VV to take these variances into account; How many "normal" users do you know that are set up to test the resistance under load of each carto they use?!
Of course this is just my opinion.
That's a hell of an an opinion for ONLY $229, cough.OPINION
Of course this is just my opinion.
I'm sure we all vape differently.
Personally, I change my atty (I'm a dripper) about once every four to six weeks.
On the other hand, I change my juice every fifteen, twenty minutes!
I've read (don't have a variable voltage device myself, yet), that different juices taste better at different settings, so I would presume you have to change the setting depending on what juice you're vaping, anyways.
As long as the VV device is easy enough to change voltage, I don't expect it to be a problem.
You stated "If the VW device can take these variances into account automatically and on the fly, this is a big step forward to me".... if you need to adjust the device for changes in juice anyways, how much of an advantage is it, really?
Just askin, not trying to start an argument or be disagreeable.
If you compare apples to apples the price difference is far less than $70. The ProVari doesn't come with battery, charger or two year warranty. If you add extended warranty, battery and charger to the purchase of a ProVari the difference is closer to $20.
The price is a bit steep though, more than I was hoping for, I'll have to pass.
There you have It, that experience we all want to just have without much thought or effort.
I was thinking about the price again and the company is warrantying the device, which costs. Add the battery and charger to any mod and, depending on the battery, the cost creeps closer to the next (or first) hundred. Still high but its not a battery sleeve or a voltage regulating device. Its gonna stand all by itself for a few minutes.
Will the Darwin be the Apple of the vaping world - always a little different and always more expensive? And, henceforth, can we expect greater advances for our mod dollars?
Exciting times ahead, vapers!
Edit: didn't see Nomoreash's post before I typed out the battery/warranty justification - sorry for the dup
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Good points. Also keep in mind that the list price for a pro-vari is $199.95. Yes its on sale for $159.95, but you have to compare list price to list price. To start comparing sales prices, then we will have to wait and see if the Darwin goes on sale.
I'm probably technologically impaired (and frightened of change!
) but this design doesn't do much for me (looks like a tire gauge to me) and the price point is prohibitive, especially with no feeder. I figure if I wait a few months (and it gets great reviews meaning I need to get one! ) I'll be able to buy one used for 50-60% of that price -- but I am a cheap SOB, too!
) but this design doesn't do much for me (looks like a tire gauge to me) and the price point is prohibitive, especially with no feeder. I figure if I wait a few months (and it gets great reviews meaning I need to get one! ) I'll be able to buy one used for 50-60% of that price -- but I am a cheap SOB, too!
People are willing to pay for quality....a GGTS with AVS costs $10 more without batteries, charger, etc., and they sell out on a regular basis. Then again, that setup is for a juice feeding (3rd gen) device.
The price point does take it out my 'impulse purchase' range. But I'll stalk the product, read some reviews and carefully consider it. Especially if a few old hands come out with some glowing endorsements of the product.
The price point does take it out my 'impulse purchase' range. But I'll stalk the product, read some reviews and carefully consider it. Especially if a few old hands come out with some glowing endorsements of the product.
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