Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Hoggy]

There is a very simple way to counter this. All vape shops simply stop carrying juul. This combined with the FDA crackdown on juul in CStores and the online sales ban some states are implementing, would put a world of hurt on juul. I wouldn't mind if they were forced out of business completely. That will probably never happen though.

I guess it depends on how many other vaping organizations agree that Juul is no friend to the vaping industry. I was actually ecstatic to see that there was such an attitude at all among any of those vaping organizations. At least I know I'm not alone in thinking Juul is absolutely NO friend to vaping.

 

[Katya]

Is JUUL Making Moves to Wipe Out Vape Shops?

I'm so confused... So much hate for JUUL. Sounds like a bit of conspiracy theory to me. I honestly don't know what to think. And then there's this:

'We don't want them in our city': SF officials seek Juul crackdown

Considering that JUUL is a native child--it was invented by two Stanford grads and is headquartered in San Francisco--the whole thing is really weird.

 

[Katya]

Would be interested to hear other takes.

Ed Henry was too nice and possibly not informed enough. Gottlieb should have been interviewed by John Stossel.

 

[stols001]

It's early but I had a hard time with that article it was a bit like a cross between a "find the mole" and wack-a-mole, frankly.

Juul if you are being more nefarious, knock it off. I have tried to consistently be neutral or at least not HATE the unbearable hate... I would be sad for that to have to change.

Anna

 

[zoiDman]

I'm so confused... So much hate for JUUL. Sounds like a bit of conspiracy theory to me. I honestly don't know what to think. And then there's this:

'We don't want them in our city': SF officials seek Juul crackdown

Considering that JUUL is a native child--it was invented by two Stanford grads and is headquartered in San Francisco--the whole thing is really weird.

Yeah... JUUL is kinda like Stalin in WWII.

Someone you Don't Like, Can't Trust completely, and even Fear to a degree. But someone you Want and Need as an Ally.

 

[Baditude]

I'm so confused... So much hate for JUUL. Sounds like a bit of conspiracy theory to me. I honestly don't know what to think.

Wayne’s World Comic Trolls Outgoing FDA Commissioner

"Yeah.. and monkeys might fly out of my ....!

Playing off the 90’s comedy movie “Waynes World” starring Mike Meyers, Dana Carvey and Rob Lowe, a vape lifestyle company has summed up the current status of JUUL and the vape industry in one hilarious comic."

 

[newyork13]

I've got a Juul. I had high hopes for it. (And I've been vaping for I'm not sure how many years now.) Thought it would be a nice light weight mod to carry around in my pocket. Well it was, but I really did not like the juices.
That said, I did not think they were evil, before the investment in them by big tobacco, nor after that.
Not to my taste. But, if they help smokers, that's a good thing, regardless of who their financial partners are.

 

[ScottP]

I've got a Juul. I had high hopes for it. (And I've been vaping for I'm not sure how many years now.) Thought it would be a nice light weight mod to carry around in my pocket. Well it was, but I really did not like the juices.
That said, I did not think they were evil, before the investment in them by big tobacco, nor after that.
Not to my taste. But, if they help smokers, that's a good thing, regardless of who their financial partners are.

I don't hate JUUL, nor do I think they are evil. However, if we are trying to build something, they are like the Three Stooges that bumble in and accidentally tear it all down.

 

[Hoggy]

However, if we are trying to build something, they are like the Three Stooges that bumble in and accidentally tear it all down.

 

[englishmick]

I've got a Juul. I had high hopes for it. (And I've been vaping for I'm not sure how many years now.) Thought it would be a nice light weight mod to carry around in my pocket. Well it was, but I really did not like the juices.
That said, I did not think they were evil, before the investment in them by big tobacco, nor after that.
Not to my taste. But, if they help smokers, that's a good thing, regardless of who their financial partners are.

I remember in the 70's when we were all riding Triumphs and BSA's and the Japanese arrived with their cheap tacky little bikes that didn't even leak oil. They were disrupting the market. Selling below cost to get their foot in the door. Stealing customers away from real bikes and eventually taking over. For a while there a lot of us actually hated Japanese bikes. Seems silly looking back.

I don't think there's any point in being mad at Juul, the way they operate, or anything else. If they weren't meeting a need we would never have heard of them. If everyone was happy with KFL's and Provaris like me then subohming and big batteries wouldn't be a thing either.

 

[Rossum]

For a while there a lot of us actually hated Japanese bikes. Seems silly looking back.

Tell that to the Hardly Ableson crowd.

 

[mikepetro]

Tell that to the Hardley Ableson crown.

Had to look that one up......

 

[Rossum]

Had to look that one up......

Sorry, I was in a hurry. It seems I made some typos (fixed now).

 

[NolaMel]

Sorry, I was in a hurry. It seems I made some typos (fixed now).

Darn, I’m a sucker for a crown

 

[Katya]

I remember in the 70's when we were all riding Triumphs and BSA's and the Japanese arrived with their cheap tacky little bikes that didn't even leak oil. They were disrupting the market. Selling below cost to get their foot in the door. Stealing customers away from real bikes and eventually taking over. For a while there a lot of us actually hated Japanese bikes. Seems silly looking back.

I agree. The only difference is that nobody was threatening to ban or severely limit the sales of all bikes or cars, for that matter, to save the children...

 

[mikepetro]

Maybe that should be the next Juul flavor "rice burner"......

 

[Kevin Billingsley]

I remember in the 70's when we were all riding Triumphs and BSA's and the Japanese arrived with their cheap tacky little bikes that didn't even leak oil. They were disrupting the market. Selling below cost to get their foot in the door. Stealing customers away from real bikes and eventually taking over. For a while there a lot of us actually hated Japanese bikes. Seems silly looking back.

I don't think there's any point in being mad at Juul, the way they operate, or anything else. If they weren't meeting a need we would never have heard of them. If everyone was happy with KFL's and Provaris like me then subohming and big batteries wouldn't be a thing either.

The need they're filling is selling to kids. I don't know if they set out to do that or not but that's what's happened. You've got high schoolers who don't even know the words vape or vaping talking about getting themselves a Juul. At my son's high school he tells me there's about a dozen kids with them. Not one other vape product, all Juuls. The Juul has become the new smoking. While that may be a healthier scenario for the kids, it's really bad for us.

 

[ScottP]

The need they're filling is selling to kids. I don't know if they set out to do that or not but that's what's happened. You've got high schoolers who don't even know the words vape or vaping talking about getting themselves a Juul. At my son's high school he tells me there's about a dozen kids with them. Not one other vape product, all Juuls. The Juul has become the new smoking. While that may be a healthier scenario for the kids, it's really bad for us.

Like I said, the Three Stooges, coming in and F'ing up the program.

 

[newyork13]

The need they're filling is selling to kids. I don't know if they set out to do that or not but that's what's happened. You've got high schoolers who don't even know the words vape or vaping talking about getting themselves a Juul. At my son's high school he tells me there's about a dozen kids with them. Not one other vape product, all Juuls. The Juul has become the new smoking. While that may be a healthier scenario for the kids, it's really bad for us.

But, do you want your kids smoking or drinking? I suspect not. Should therefore real tobacco and alcohol be removed from the marketplace?
Hahahaha. Adults want to keep access to their "vices" while keeping the little kiddies pure. What a laugh.
Sorry, I'm not picking on you. It's just so pathetic.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Finally may we get to the heart of the matter…

"Critics call executive agencies the “fourth branch” of the U.S. government. They say officials in this so-called administrative state are unaccountable to voters and allow unelected bureaucrats to usurp the functions of governmental branches. Congress, they say, is supposed to make the laws of the land, but lawmakers have steadily ceded that body’s constitutionally prescribed powers to the administrative state, to the overall detriment of society.…

If this happens, it could help work a smaller-government revolution that tears away at the legal underpinnings of the modern administrative state."

Supreme Court Hears Case About Medical Benefits That Could Shake Administrative State

Good luck all.