Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[englishmick]

Hasn't the world changed. When I was a kid if you were hyper in class you just got whacked.

 

[Bronze]

Hasn't the world changed. When I was a kid if you were hyper in class you just got whacked.

And then whacked again when you got home.

 

[Bronze]

Adults used to love whacking kids.

 

[Hoggy]

Adults used to love whacking kids.

Unfortunately, some in the church still do.

 

[Bronze]

Unfortunately, some in the church still do.

I don't know. I got whacked by teachers, parents, and an older brother...daily...sometimes multiple times daily. I survived.

 

[Hoggy]

I don't know. I got whacked by teachers, parents, and an older brother...daily...sometimes multiple times daily. I survived.

eewww...

 

[Fidola13]

Nicotine is one of a very small group of chemicals, probably the only one that is in common use, which works as both a stimulant and a depressant. Chemicals like this are called Biphasic.

(Is nicotine a stimulant or a depressant?)


What Are The Short Term Effects of Nicotine On Your Body?
When you vape or smoke, the short term effects of nicotine are the main thing you’ll notice. This is a bit more complicated than you might imagine, though.

Nicotine is a stimulant, so as well as creating a pleasurable feeling, it also raises your heart rate, improves your ability to pay attention and boosts memory. But it has a “biphasic” action: if you have a little bit, it acts as a stimulant, but if you have more, it can relax you.

For smokers, this means that you inhale more deeply to get a more relaxing effect from nicotine and take shallower inhales to get more of a stimulant effect. Generally, smokers will do this as needed without even necessarily realising it.

For vaping, the majority of devices make you press a button to inhale, but the same basic rule applies. If you want a more relaxing effect, take big puffs and keep vaping until you feel relaxed. But if you want a pick-me-up, take shallower puffs and don’t vape for too long.

(What Does Nicotine Do To Your Body? The answer might surprise you… – Ashtray Blog)

To each his own I say.

I'm in the flavor camp. But I'm GOOD at DIY dang it! I suck at building though. I have to be good at SOMETHING.

I never tell new flavorers to like make a complicated recipe. I'm also a good cook. If thy do not taste thy ingredients singly, how will thy know how they may interact together?

I think like Julia Child said that. Or maybe she merely implied it but there was a woman who LOVED food.

Good mixers are like that. They truly love the unique flavors they can create and etc. I'm vaping an eggnog mix right now among other things. It took a bit of crafting but it is one of my favorites BECAUSE of that.

But yeah, taste the Brussel sprout before adding it to a recipe. How else will you really know. I will admit with some time under my belt I don't single flavor everything but weird new stuff, I often will.

Also.... Patience is a virtue.

Unflavored is okay. It's like (to me) a bit quick and dirty. Kind of like drinking an ensure shake instead of eating lunch (which is something I often do if in a rush. With dentures it's just.... You got to make sure they are all securely affixed. You have to make sure if its bite sized, you can eat it. You got to go inspect your "teeth" for well, whatever, which you can't really feel because they aren't "teeth" etc.

To each his own I say.

Anna

Nvm

 

[puffon]

Re-posting here, in case it was missed from another thread:
FDA finalizes guidance for premarket tobacco product applications for electronic nicotine delivery systems as part of commitment to continuing a strong oversight of e-cigarettes

https://www.fda.gov/media/127853/download

 

[somdcomputerguy]

Nicotine is one of a very small group of chemicals, probably the only one that is in common use, which works as both a stimulant and a depressant. Chemicals like this are called Biphasic.

Alcohol is in that group.
alcohol biphasic curve at DuckDuckGo

 

[Bronze]

eewww...

One good thing, no one messed with me and walked away under their own power after that tutelage.

 

[englishmick]

I don't know. I got whacked by teachers, parents, and an older brother...daily...sometimes multiple times daily. I survived.

Maybe things needed to change. But maybe the pendulum swung a bit too far. From getting punished for naughtiness to being diagnosed with some letters and sedated with tranquilizers. The old way did toughen you up. You didn't get to college needing Safe Rooms.

 

[Bronze]

Maybe things needed to change. But maybe the pendulum swung a bit too far. From getting punished for naughtiness to being diagnosed with some letters and sedated with tranquilizers. The old way did toughen you up. You didn't get to college needing Safe Rooms.

If you take the time to study the Promise program in Broward County and the role it played in the Parkland school shooting you would find it consistent with what you say.

 

[Rossum]

Re-posting here, in case it was missed from another thread:
FDA finalizes guidance for premarket tobacco product applications for electronic nicotine delivery systems as part of commitment to continuing a strong oversight of e-cigarettes

https://www.fda.gov/media/127853/download

Having skimmed the 55 page guidance, I would say we're back to 99% of products will never pass muster with the FDA, and that more than 95% of them won't even try.

I had somehow hoped that current administration's FDA would go easier on this. But it seems they are giving no quarter.

 

[Alexander Mundy]

Having skimmed the 55 page guidance, I would say we're back to 99% of products will never pass muster with the FDA, and that more than 95% of them won't even try.

I had somehow hoped that current administration's FDA would go easier on this. But it seems they are giving no quarter.

FDA has no jurisdiction over my 3D printers, and of course like you I am set for Nic.

Not good for future wantaquitsmokers though.

 

[MacTechVpr]

The only barrier to mixing is confidence. The moment you produce a DIY that you like everything else becomes easy rapidly. So I propose a beginner approach that is most likely to be a succesful confidence builder. The mixers who say it's necessary to start with complicated mixes with a bunch of flavorings just scare people off. They care more about creating more vape chefs than simply helping people get independent of the over priced pre mix products.

Ya gotta walk before you can run sofar. I'm with ya. Repeatability is key to confidence.

Good luck.

 

[englishmick]

Having skimmed the 55 page guidance, I would say we're back to 99% of products will never pass muster with the FDA, and that more than 95% of them won't even try.

I had somehow hoped that current administration's FDA would go easier on this. But it seems they are giving no quarter.

I looked through it. Weren't they told to produce clarification on the application process? It was hard to see that.

Manufacturers have to produce something proving that their product is beneficial to society as a whole, or not unbeneficial or something. What does that mean? The stuff about making them safe against accidental exposure to nicotine caught my eye. Sealed containers? No way you could make a tank guaranteed leakproof. Or were they just talking about childproof bottles? Stuff about the electrical characteristics of mods.

Yeah, overall it seemed like a list of requirements that were fuzzy and impossibly hard to meet in the real world. The only possible bright spot is that a lot of the requirements appeared to be down to the judgement of the FDA rather than specifically defined, so if they decided to be lenient they could justify letting stuff through. Maybe they were leaving themselves a back door in case the political winds shifted.

 

[Rossum]

Yeah, overall it seemed like a list of requirements that were fuzzy and impossibly hard to meet in the real world.

That's how I read it too. At one point the FDA estimated a $300k cost to file an acceptable PMTA. Having looked through that guidance, I think that estimate is an order of magnitude too low.

The only possible bright spot is that a lot of the requirements appeared to be down to the judgement of the FDA rather than specifically defined, so if they decided to be lenient they could justify letting stuff through. Maybe they were leaving themselves a back door in case the political winds shifted.

If they were inclined to be lenient, they'd approve some MRTPs, and it wouldn't have taken them over two years to approve the PMTA for IQOS, a process that black-letter law only gives them six months to complete.

Personally, I cannot envision a shift in the political winds that would be more favorable to vaping than what we've got right now. The current administration is about as unfriendly to the regulatory over-reach as any I've seen in my lifetime.

 

[sofarsogood]

How' about crowd funding, industry contributionss and FOIA requests (for BT application matierials) a group with the expertise creates a boiler plate application that can be used with minor modifications by any ecig manufacturer--an open source application. As we all know vaping has a few core principles that apply to all the devices we call e-cigs. The overwhelming majority of vape gear only have differences in form factor. Substantial equivilence is the reality and one master application could be used for most products. May be Dr. F is a guy who could get it moving.

 

[ninfreak]

How' about crowd funding, industry contributionss and FOIA requests (for BT application matierials) a group with the expertise creates a boiler plate application that can be used with minor modifications by any ecig manufacturer--an open source application. As we all know vaping has a few core principles that apply to all the devices we call e-cigs. The overwhelming majority of vape gear only have differences in form factor. Substantial equivilence is the reality and one master application could be used for most products. May be Dr. F is a guy who could get it moving.

Under the language, you can't do this. The way it is written, if you even change type of screw or a decal, it needs a new application. It's really stupid

 

[j3000]

I'm trying to figure something out what does it say about mechanical mods.