Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

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Actually it's a bloody PITA to get a piece of that gum out of the individual blister things they're in.

Touché! :)
But like All Things FDA, ya Never Know?
My complaints are directed solely at our legislative & regulating bodies. I do hate them so (predating vaping by a few decades).

Right. I truly believed that Gottlieb was on our side and would bring some sanity to the FDA. And then he starts this teen-vaping-epidemic hysteria and joins Pfizer???? Is he any better than Kessler was before him? The same old revolving door pattern--regulate and make money?

I don't know. I didn't expect smooth sailing after Gottlieb took over, but I did expect that things would get better. He knew and understood vaping and its benefits--he even served on a board of directors of some vaping company in the past. So what happened?

A wise American judge once said, famously, "Even a dog knows the difference between being kicked and being stumbled over." I have a feeling that we're being kicked again and I have no idea why. Why has vaping become public enemy No. 1 in this country--again?
 

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The whiskey tax was repealed in the early 1800s during the Jefferson administration.

Jefferson's view on rebellion:

"The late rebellion in Massachusetts [Shay's] has given more alarm than I think it should have done. Calculate that one rebellion in thirteen states in the course of eleven years, is but one for each state in a century and a half. No country should be so long without one. Nor will any degree of power in the hands of government prevent insurrections."

Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, December 20, 1787

This was also part of Jefferson's ( a Republican - not today's Republican connotation) attempt to steer Madison (then a Federalist, along with Hamilton and Jay) away from a stronger central gov't as part of the Constitution, which was being written and argued... and Shay's was being used by the Federalists and Washington as a justification for more power.

A month earlier came this more famous quote:

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Letter to William Stephens Smith, 13 Nov. 1787
 

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A wise American judge once said, famously, "Even a dog knows the difference between being kicked and being stumbled over." I have a feeling that we're being kicked again and I have no idea why. Why has vaping become public enemy No. 1 in this country--again?

I wish I knew, Katya. I reckon we all wish we knew.

I think @Eskie said it best when he used the word, "Exhausting." It's a perfect word to describe the unfathomable situation that currently surrounds us.
 

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Touché! :)



Right. I truly believed that Gottlieb was on our side and would bring some sanity to the FDA. And then he starts this teen-vaping-epidemic hysteria and joins Pfizer???? Is he any better than Kessler was before him? The same old revolving door pattern--regulate and make money?

I don't know. I didn't expect smooth sailing after Gottlieb took over, but I did expect that things would get better. He knew and understood vaping and its benefits--he even served on a board of directors of some vaping company in the past. So what happened?

A wise American judge once said, famously, "Even a dog knows the difference between being kicked and being stumbled over." I have a feeling that we're being kicked again and I have no idea why. Why has vaping become public enemy No. 1 in this country--again?

Indeed.
Pfizer names former FDA chief Scott Gottlieb to its board - Reuters

Big pharma at work.
Demonizes vaping then joins the board of the makers of.....
Chantix.
Purely a coincidence.
 

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Try to translate something you don't understand from a foreign language into your own. It is absolutely impossible, trust me. The entirety of human imagination translates into literature, but is only decipherable through the powers of imagination, and outputs exactly as only that, imaginative. It's quite a shock to the system.

Reading is possible because the imagination of entire populations are enslaved to automatically utilize translation into whatever it exists as or interprets into within the limited degrees of imagination. There's no such thing as non-fiction. Nothing ever written could ever possibly be true, because writing is built of a complete non-construct that relates to nothing.
 

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    Based on recent discoveries, perhaps we need to put tamper-proof caps on ice cream containers too. :)

    This has bothered me a lot longer than these past weeks with that video. EVERYTHING else is in the store is tamper-proof why ice cream never has been is beyond me.
     

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    Sorry, once again risking, Arizona Ice Tea.

    Perhaps I'm the sole soul who saw it?

    Sigh.

    I'm afraid that I did (miss it), but am more afraid to ask.

    I buy that stuff. I guess you'd best spill the beans.

    Or the tea.

    Oh, whatevs. Do tell (private or public, I care not).
     

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    I wish I knew, Katya. I reckon we all wish we knew.

    I think @Eskie said it best when he used the word, "Exhausting." It's a perfect word to describe the unfathomable situation that currently surrounds us.

    I agree and I am exhausted. I was all gaga in the beginning, donating money, signing petitions, etc. I must admit that now I just watch all this like watching a train wreck. I am no longer surprised by any of it. I hope I am wrong but I don't think vaping will have a positive outcome.

    I did get an email from one large eliquid maker where they have changed names of some of their juices due to the FDA in an attempt to stay in compliance.
     

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    Thanks, Katya. I can't even... (smh).



    Just to show the FDA can't stop stupidity....I once knew someone who worked at fast food places and admitted that if a customer complained or was rude, they would get them a new order but.....they spit on the food before giving it to the customer. I almost stopped eating out after that bit of info.
     

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    Just to show the FDA can't stop stupidity....I once knew someone who worked at fast food places and admitted that if a customer complained or was rude, they would get them a new order but.....they spit on the food before giving it to the customer. I almost stopped eating out after that bit of info.

    "Down & Out in Paris & London" by George Orwell describes how staff arriving for kitchen work in a top hotel would spit in the soup of the day, a tradition. I've been wary of soup since I read that as a teenager.
     

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