Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[zoiDman]

I highly doubt that the FDA would even attempt to ban ENDS (Their term for ecigs). As mentioned it would result in at least some backlash and likely many lawsuits. BUT, they do NOT have to ban it to destroy the industry. All they have to do is make the approval process so long and costly that no company can afford to do it. Which they already have with the original deeming regs, all they have to do is start enforcing it. They also do not have to approve any applications. Either way the result is the same as ban but less likely to invite lawsuits and much harder to defeat in a lawsuit should one actually be brought.

Since Day 1, I have said that I Don't Think the FDA wants to Ban e-Cigarettes. I still hold that Belief.

And I have said Many Times that it Isn't the Banning of e-Cigarettes, It's the Banning of who is Allowed to Produce and Make Profits via the e-Cigarette Market.

The FDA/Government wants a handful of Players who control the Entire Market.

It Simplifies the Administrative Burden of Regulation.
It Centralizes the Distribution of Profits/Campaign Monies.
And it Maintains a Vehicle for Taxation. Both at the Federal and State Level.

There is going to be e-Cigarettes. They are just going to Look all like a Vuse or a Pod mod.

And the Number of Companies that produce them will be able to be Counted on One Hand. Just like e-liquids.

 

[zoiDman]

I'm sure that applies to any 'easily refillable' device as well.

If I can Refill it, can't I put Anything I want in it? So Doesn't that Kinda Defeat the purpose of Regulating them?

Think Non-Refillable Inkjet Cartridges that stop working when the Chip in the Mod/Cartridge says to.

That's what the FDA Wants.

 

[Rossum]

So I guess you guys fear the best you will be left with is Juul type devices?

Yes/no. That may be the only stuff left on the formal retail market in the US.

But I don't think that "devices" should be the biggest worry. China (and even Europe) aren't going to stop making devices. Moreover, there's nothing in the Marlboro Protection Act, er, Tobacco Control Act, that authorizes or allows the FDA to ban imports for personal use; they can only block imports intended for sale or distribution. So if a person wants an RBA or mod, they should still be able to order it from overseas.

The real worry should be consumables. I suppose there will be at least a few large liquid companies who will file PMTAs. The question is: Will the FDA approve any of them? If they don't intend to approve any open systems, why would they approve any liquids? Now in principle, individuals could order liquids from China as well (Europe is more or less out due to the 10ml / 20mg/ml restrictions already in place due to the TPD), but does anyone really want to vape Chinese liquids? Personally, I'd have to be pretty desperate.

 

[Rossum]

Think Non-Refillable Inkjet Cartridges that stop working when the Chip in the Mod/Cartridge says to.

I'll point out that the market is already flooded with "aftermarket" (clone/fake) Juul pods, and that I don't think any printer manufacturer has succeeded in locking out the aftermarket ink & toner industry.

 

[zoiDman]

Yes/no. That may be the only stuff left on the formal retail market in the US.

But I don't think that "devices" should be the biggest worry. China (and even Europe) aren't going to stop making devices. Moreover, there's nothing in the Marlboro Protection Act, er, Tobacco Control Act, that authorizes or allows the FDA to ban imports for personal use; they can only block imports intended for sale or distribution. So if a person wants an RBA or mod, they should still be able to order it from overseas.

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JMO...

But I Don't see this Holding Up in our Legal System. If Point of Sale is considered where the a Customer Executes the Payment.

ETA: An administration may take a Look the Other Way approach for Consumers. But I Question if they will for Banks and Credit Card Companies.

And or for US Transport Companies. Or for the USPS.

 

[zoiDman]

I'll point out that the market is already flooded with "aftermarket" (clone/fake) Juul pods, and that I don't think any printer manufacturer has succeeded in locking out the aftermarket ink & toner industry.

There will Always be Work-a-Rounds.

But if such Work-a-Rounds are limited to the Grey Markets, I would say that the FDA would consider this to be an Expected Percentage of a Regulation.

ETA: It isn't Illegal to sell "ARC" Ink Cartridges. Hence why you can buy them on places like e-Bay. That Won't be True for "ARC" Pods for Pod Mods.

So I wonder just How Large the Hacked Pod market could Actually be?

 

[Horselady154]

Yeah, I foresee a bunch of pre-filled pods as the future of vaping in the U.S.

I see a standalone mini freezer in my near future.

 

[zoiDman]

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I see a standalone mini freezer in my near future.

"Hope for the Best. But Plan for the Worst."

 

[mikepetro]

I see a standalone mini freezer in my near future.

With as strong a concentrate as you can obtain, and you can still get above 100mgl (at least for now) if you search for it and are confident you know how handle it safely.

Here is my solution......

 

[Rossum]

Here is my solution......

Look like you've got all your eggs in one basket.

 

[mikepetro]

Look like you've got all your eggs in one basket.

Yeah, in that other thread you already got me thinking about a 2nd freezer in a separate location. Alas I only have one home.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Yeah, in that other thread you already got me thinking about a 2nd freezer in a separate location. Alas I only have one home.

I volunteer to keep both your freezer and your nicotine safe from federal and feral predators. I want to do my part and give back.

 

[stols001]

Mike P in Arizona we got lots of space right now. The thing is we are like, 0.1 mile away from the Mexican border and also, it gets really hot.

The electric company seems to know what it is doing, we have had ONE power outage and like, we went outside to see how far it went and instead we saw electric guys with one of those lifter trucks....

But, you'd still be taking some chances.

Anna

 

[Horselady154]

With as strong a concentrate as you can obtain, and you can still get above 100mgl (at least for now) if you search for it and are confident you know how handle it safely.

Here is my solution......

Above 100 kinda scares me. I guess I am a wuss. lol. I have some already, but not nearly enough. I'm hoping I can wait until it cools off a little to get the rest. And it's become clear to me that I will need a standalone freezer to hold it. Not exactly sure where I'm going to put it; something is going to have to go. lol. Yours looks wonderful.

 

[Rossum]

Above 100 kinda scares me.

Completely understandable. Heck, I was worried about 100 the first time I got some.

I have some already, but not nearly enough. I'm hoping I can wait until it cools off a little to get the rest. And it's become clear to me that I will need a standalone freezer to hold it. Not exactly sure where I'm going to put it; something is going to have to go. lol.

Make a plan and execute it.

 

[stols001]

I am thinking my last liter may be higher test, just because you know the husband's gonna kill me. It will be that fancy in vacuum sealed or whatever glass container. Mainly because I won't have to try and deal with labeling it and somehow the labels wear off.

I will be fine with that in my 90s I figure since I will be vaping the whole time I will avoid Alzheimer's so hey. Etc.

Anna

 

[Bronze]

Seems it would be less painful to quit vaping than go thru all those freezer gymnastics.

 

[Rossum]

Seems it would be less painful to quit vaping than go thru all those freezer gymnastics.

 

[Bronze]

To each their own.

 

[Tabac man]

Seems it would be less painful to quit vaping than go thru all those freezer gymnastics.

That was going to be my strategy if vaping went the way of the Dodo because of EU regs. I have only stockpiled a few things because they work well and I like them, and things tend to get discontinued.