Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[zoiDman]

A Shame this couldn't have been printed in the Science & Health Section. Verses on the Op-Ed page.

FDA can save lives by rejecting Scott Gottlieb's lies

 

[Bronze]

A Shame this couldn't have been printed in the Science & Health Section. Verses on the Op-Ed page.

FDA can save lives by rejecting Scott Gottlieb's lies

The truth has no role in the legislative or regulatory process. Lobby money does.

 

[zoiDman]

The truth has no role in the legislative or regulatory process. Lobby money does.

Then Maybe we Didn't Lobby enough?

 

[Bronze]

Then Maybe we Didn't Lobby enough?

Sadly, vape money can't compete with anti-vape money.

 

[zoiDman]

Sadly, vape money can't compete with anti-vape money.

Don't need to Out Bid them.

Just enough to get a Favorable Amendment or Two from a Sympathetic Senator in something like a T21 Bill would be nice.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Sadly, vape money can't compete with anti-vape money.

You add tobacco money to the self-righteous nannies of ANTZ like groups and then factor in idea that regulators gotta regulate, you then have an an irresistible force.

 

[Bronze]

Don't need to Out Bid them.

Just enough to get a Favorable Amendment or Two from a Sympathetic Senator in something like a T21 Bill would be nice.

Whatever happened to Ron Johnson. He was a strong vaping advocate who has gone to radio silence the last 1-2 years.

 

[zoiDman]

Whatever happened to Ron Johnson. He was a strong vaping advocate who has gone to radio silence the last 1-2 years.

Johnson won a Tight race against Finigold.

And for a Senator, that means you Don't have to do much for 3 or 4 Years but quietly raise Money for your Next Reelection.

 

[Bronze]

Johnson won a Tight race against Finigold.

And for a Senator, that means you Don't have to do much for 3 or 4 Years but quietly raise Money for your Next Reelection.

I think he said this is his last term so he can do less than not much now.

 

[Baditude]

You add tobacco money to the self-righteous nannies of ANTZ like groups and then factor in idea that regulators gotta regulate, you then have an an irresistible force.

Don't forget the Big Pharma money/lobbyists, too.

We basically had one lobbyist that CASAA had.

 

[zoiDman]

You add tobacco money to the self-righteous nannies of ANTZ like groups and then factor in idea that regulators gotta regulate, you then have an an irresistible force.

It's Funny. And Perhaps a Tad Ironic.

But that BT Money is, in a Round-About way, perhaps our Best Allies.

 

[stols001]

I really might wind up the test case on that, only the doctor smart enough to do it (my pdoc) LOATHES like, legislation and if we wound up at the Supreme Court, he would kill me.

I don't see anything that is exclusionary in this from the ADA actually-- if every time the patient stops NRT, the patient begins to smoke, harm reduction methods would be appropriate, would they not?

I was aware that certain professions like truck driving will not allow methadone or suboxone or Adderall or similar drugs, but a whole stateful?

Can we just move the Mormons there and Take Utah Back.

Yeah yeah yeah I know their supreme temple and look away from polygamy and all that. They would not go.

Maybe the Jehovah's they seem so aimless to me and like, I think they would have a better time converting each other than they would me. IDK to be fair, I don't CARE for them much, it's hard to have a great time when a crazy lady is running toward them in really tight fitting yoga clothes (I look good, LOL) screaming "BACK IT UP GET THE HELL OFF MY PROPRETY YOU ARE TRESSPASSING I WILL THROW ROCKS NEVER COME BACK HERE AGAIN!"

It was satisfying though. The husband let them in once. I accused him of trying to have an affair. I did not think he was, but I knew it would be an effective deterrent. I also told him they were like roaches and if you saw one in the distance, you better get out the flame throwers.

I am not friends with my neighbor (my husband is) but I was an endless source of amusement to him. He told the husband he "missed me." LOL.

Anna

 

[Fidola13]

Again I’ll mention batteries. It’s hard enough to get batteries for older mods but what happens when the government or manufacturer will no longer sell individual batteriesto non commercial entities.

It’s already happening on one vendors site. They will not sell LG batteries in accordance with LGs requirement that individuals will need to submit government documentation that the batteries are needed for commercial use only.

That’s my biggest fear. I’m already loaded up with liters of nicotine etc.

 

[Eskie]

Well here's an interesting story

https://gizmodo.com/juuls-new-e-cig-sure-is-collecting-a-dumb-amount-of-dat-1836971857


"As Juul explores ever-more creative means by which to curb what government officials refer to as an “epidemic” of teen vaping, one of its latest stabs at that undertaking involves collecting personally identifying data to verify that a user is legally allowed to use its products."

"Citing Juul’s Dan Thomson, a managing director of the company’s UK operation, the Financial Timesreported Sunday that the device requires “stringent age verification checks that included facial recognition and two-step background check with third-party databases.”

 

[HigherStateD]

Well here's an interesting story

https://gizmodo.com/juuls-new-e-cig-sure-is-collecting-a-dumb-amount-of-dat-1836971857


"As Juul explores ever-more creative means by which to curb what government officials refer to as an “epidemic” of teen vaping, one of its latest stabs at that undertaking involves collecting personally identifying data to verify that a user is legally allowed to use its products."

"Citing Juul’s Dan Thomson, a managing director of the company’s UK operation, the Financial Timesreported Sunday that the device requires “stringent age verification checks that included facial recognition and two-step background check with third-party databases.”

I hear they want RFID chips in the pods and batteries, coded at time of sale with the end users ID. If a minor is found with it, the RFID is scanned, and the purchaser fined/jailed.

 

[Rossum]

Again I’ll mention batteries. It’s hard enough to get batteries for older mods but what happens when the government or manufacturer will no longer sell individual batteries to non commercial entities.

Personally, I would start harvesting them from power-tool packs. Spec sheets for some packs will even tell you exactly what kind of cells are in 'em. Here's an example:

That's a 10S-2P pack, meaning it contains twenty cells, either VTC4s or HD2s. We know those are very high drain batteries that are safe to vape.

 

[Rossum]

Well here's an interesting story

https://gizmodo.com/juuls-new-e-cig-sure-is-collecting-a-dumb-amount-of-dat-1836971857


"As Juul explores ever-more creative means by which to curb what government officials refer to as an “epidemic” of teen vaping, one of its latest stabs at that undertaking involves collecting personally identifying data to verify that a user is legally allowed to use its products."

"Citing Juul’s Dan Thomson, a managing director of the company’s UK operation, the Financial Timesreported Sunday that the device requires “stringent age verification checks that included facial recognition and two-step background check with third-party databases.”

I'll stick with my mechanical squonkers, thanks!

 

[Baditude]

Again I’ll mention batteries. It’s hard enough to get batteries for older mods but what happens when the government or manufacturer will no longer sell individual batteries to non commercial entities.

It’s already happening on one vendors site. They will not sell LG batteries in accordance with LGs requirement that individuals will need to submit government documentation that the batteries are needed for commercial use only. That’s my biggest fear.

I'm finding this difficult to believe for the immediate to intermediate future. There are many other markets using these batteries besides us. Flashlight enthusiasts, power tool operators, bicyclists, etc. The mods themselves will most likely be the first to be banned in favor of mods that use unremoveable (Li-Po) batteries.

The vendor you mentioned above most likely got a warning letter like the one below and made a business decision to no long carry LG batteries. Their loss.

 

[Fidola13]

I'm finding this difficult to believe for the immediate to intermediate future. There are many other industries using these batteries besides us. Flashlight enthusiasts, power tool operators, bicyclists, etc. The mods themselves will most likely be the first to be banned in favor of mods using unremoveable batteries.

The vendor you mentioned above most likely got a warning letter like the one below and made a business decision to no long carry LG batteries. Their loss.

I’m more worried about the longer time frame say 10-20 years.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Don't forget the Big Pharma money/lobbyists, too.

We basically had one lobbyist that CASAA had.

Forgot the pharmaceuticals, so true.