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May be it will be determined that, since the kids couldn't get commercial eliquid, they tried to makke their own and didn't understand what ingredients to use. I doubt there is a single instance, anywhere in the world, from the very start, of a physician treating someone with an illness caused by vaping (properly formulated) eliquid.

Agree. My doctor listens to my lungs, looks at my latest blood chemistry analysis, and asks me, "still vaping and not smoking?". I say Yes and he continues down the page and on to other things on his laptop. His main concern is my elevated Triglycerides. My Cholesterol level is around 140, so he's not that worried about Trigs.
 

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Ah, exactly like de-decaffeinating coffee and tea, then. With the same problems, such as with unscrupulous producers of the cheap, generally China, loose-leaf teas. In my younger-and-stupider years, I remember getting a HUGE ~20LB bag or so of Chinese loose-leaf Pu'er tea for $5 and thinking I got such a great deal. :rolleyes: :lol:
Did somebody mention Pu'er? This was just one of my orders from China about 20 years ago. Good stuff actually.

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It actually doesn't mix with PG or VG, nor our type of flavorings.
(Just as an FYI)

(EDIT, at least not in my experiments, @HigherStateD. ;) Although, it's most absolutely definitely certainly possible I could have screwed something up, or am remembering something wrong here. I really wouldn't put it past me... Not for a second! :D I know it didn't with at least PG and/or VG, though.)
Like nicotine, acidic forms are fun... Also, starch bonded edibles.
 
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Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.
I'm talking really bad uncontrollable anxiety episodes. After a year without, I tried one time with my brother in law and same thing so abstinence since.
 

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Many thanks for the PDF.

Solvents are used to extract the other stuff molecule/s from the vegetable matter as part of the process to make concentrates. Lazy/nasty folk use nasty solvents and/or an inflammable gas and don't bother about removing it all and any by-products.. Informed folk use an inert gas or that liquid that gets you ...... and take care with their chemistry.

Solvent/by-product left in whatever it was they vaped can ofc cause significant lung damage.

I'm being vague as I don't want to push the ECF rules. I hope!

I hope they find who sold that :censored: to those teens.
The best of the best is made without solvents.
 

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    www.daytondailynews.com said:
    “We are not thrilled about it, but we also understand where the city is coming from because the biggest part of their health care costs are from nicotine-related illnesses,” Oakley said.
    (bold added by me)

    :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
     

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    I actually find this law pretty terrifying. I don't live there but I for sure work for a job in an industry where that could become the norm and like, that's scary.

    I am not afraid to say that I would collect virgin pee, fake pee, and other pee, and have it on my person at all times.

    I don't care what you say I can do AT work (within reason) but when it gets to this? Well I did some heavy duty research a while back on this matter, but I really truly don't want to deal with it, and if there are blood tests instead of pee tests, I'm sunk.

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    Sadly, the precedent for this kind of thing was set several decades ago with another substance that's often smoked. More recently, nicotine use bans and testing have become common in the health care industry.

    Being self-employed rocks. :D
    You can thank the Republicans for the intrusion on personal liberties. Operation golden flow. No joke. It was actually due to another substance than the one you didn't mention, but I digress.


    I actually find this law pretty terrifying. I don't live there but I for sure work for a job in an industry where that could become the norm and like, that's scary.

    I am not afraid to say that I would collect virgin pee, fake pee, and other pee, and have it on my person at all times.

    I don't care what you say I can do AT work (within reason) but when it gets to this? Well I did some heavy duty research a while back on this matter, but I really truly don't want to deal with it, and if there are blood tests instead of pee tests, I'm sunk.

    Anna

    There is blood testing. I am not sure about job related, but legally, there is SCOTUS president that blood testing, even in DUI cases, is a violation of the 4th amendment.
    Back on topic though, and the theory is that nicotine has no FDA approved medical purpose, and, as such, is recreational. Funny that. Why caffeine and alcohol aren't treated with the same scrutiny is beyond me.
     

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    Back on topic though, and the theory is that nicotine has no FDA approved medical purpose, and, as such, is recreational. Funny that. Why caffeine and alcohol aren't treated with the same scrutiny is beyond me.

    Actually, nicotine does have an approved medical purpose. For use in smoking cessation treatments. And if tobacco use is a recognized addiction, and NRT in whatever form is used in the treatment of that addiction, the use should be protected under the ADA. Particularly as it has no effect on job performance and there is no evidence that nicotine use outside of combustible tobacco has any effect on increasing health care costs for the city in hiring those who use it.

    If there is no financial burden (which shouldn't really even matter as hiring is supposed to be based on the ability to perform the task, and cannot be used as the basis to deny employment for pre-existing illness or disability ) and no negative effects on job performance or sick time or whatever other metric you want to choose, where's the basis for the policy?
     

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    Please don't give them any ideas. ;)
    I think they learned their lesson on alcohol already. The riots over caffeine restriction wouldn't be tolerated either. They (politicians) go after low hanging fruit, in a devide and conquer manner. First it was smoking, which was relegated to certain indoor areas only at first, then outs side, away from entrances, then "not on campus." People now responded by switching to oral tobacco and vaping, (the devide part.) Now, it's not at home, because withdraw, and lower employee health insurance costs. To them, victory is in sight.
     
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    Actually, nicotine does have an approved medical purpose. For use in smoking cessation treatments. And if tobacco use is a recognized addiction, and NRT in whatever form is used in the treatment of that addiction, the use should be protected under the ADA. Particularly as it has no effect on job performance and there is no evidence that nicotine use outside of combustible tobacco has any effect on increasing health care costs for the city in hiring those who use it.

    If there is no financial burden (which shouldn't really even matter as hiring is supposed to be based on the ability to perform the task, and cannot be used as the basis to deny employment for pre-existing illness or disability ) and no negative effects on job performance or sick time or whatever other metric you want to choose, where's the basis for the policy?
    They also won't allow an employee methadone.
     

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    First it was smoking, which was relegated to certain indoor areas only at first, then outs side, away from entrances, then "not on campus."
    Yes, I remember that well. In the late 1980s, the CEO of the Fortune 500 company I worked for at the time quit smoking himself, and I suppose because misery loves company, he decided to make all the other smokers miserable as well. First, smoking was restricted to a dedicated break room. That lasted for less than a year. Then we we told we had to go outside, and they actually built us a covered shelter right outside the back door that led to the parking lot. Of course the non-smokers complained about having to "run the gauntlet". A year or two later, they merged with another large company, and I volunteered for a layoff before they pushed the remaining smokers completely off the grounds. I got a pretty nice severance package and immediately went to work for a very small company; the owner wasn't a smoker, but he wasn't a control-freak either and I got to smoke in my office again.
     

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