Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[stols001]

That chick may be too cute to die but not to dumb to die. So it goes, alas.

I AM SORRY I HAVE not A WHOLE lot of sympathy from those who purchased from the Gafia. I have done some dumb things in my time but I ALWAYS made sure who my drugs were coming from and that they weren't befouled. Granted technology makes that harder but you know there is nothing like plant matter you've purchased from someone with a fairly long history of having good plant matter, rolling that plant matter into a tube after inspecting it and like, verifying that it looks like reasonably safe plant matter and then smoking it.

You still can't beat that, and anyone buying stuff off the street that goes into a vaporizer is either dumb, desperate, or both.

THE SCHOOLS are why I constantly, constantly, constantly constantly CONSTANTLY fought against the propaganda and horror they were trying to shove down my kid's throat and if I figured I was LOSING I did it LOUDER to make sure he could hear me call his teachers..... things, etc. in the hallway.

I would then exit, say to my little one, "Well, we lost THAT fight, young one. There will be many fights in your future some of which we will lose, and some of which YOU will lose, but ALWAYS stand up for your principles, because they are one of the few things you can count on in this life. So I am afraid you cannot draw your robot video game in class now, even though every adult and certainly YOU know that it is not an effort to target your classmates. I'm sorry about that. The world and schools have gone insane because a few weirdos have shot up schools and the grownups are terrified. I'm sorry kiddo, but sometimes grownups are nuttier than kids, and this is one of those times. But don't draw it any more. As you draw say, fish, think the whole time "The grownups are crazier than me. If you want to have fun, draw little fish being eaten by bigger fish, being eaten by bigger fish being eaten by SHARK WEEK. They can't do anything about THAT."

I also said it loud, as I was exiting. The poor boy had a hard time in school a few times but I was not going to let his CONSIDERABLE mind be conscripted by the STATE. AZ is so bad I finally let him get his GED the minute he turned 16. He was better off doing life stuff.

LOL the snowflakes are so bad, every job he has had so far has promoted him, begged him to be a manager, or whatever. The job market is DESPERATE for sanity, man.

Okay I gotta go eat.

Later,

Anna

 

[Possum64]

Australia where vaping is apparently banned.

Hey @Baditude! Great news segment - thanks for sharing. To clarify, vaping is not banned in Australia. In fact, there are heaps of B&M shops around now (and the number is growing). The confusion comes in with nicotine.

Nicotine cannot be sold in Australia, however, each state has laws specific to importation of nicotine for personal use.
Almost all of my 'smoking' friends now vape!

 

[Rossum]

That's scary. If you had to have a phone in your pocket to vape they could use that to disable the mod if you tried to use it in a public building or park, and all sorts of big brother mischief. I guess it's technically possible.

They can't geo-fence mechanical mods, nor collect usage data.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

They already know.

Well, yeah, should have said they should say it out loud on national TV.

never let a crisis go to waste!

They aren't, they're getting a nuclear bang for their buck on this one. Eventually it will bite them in the .... but who knows how long "eventually" will be?

If nothing else, it has recharged ECF for the moment.

 

[Nermal]

You know, Possum64, your possums down there are way cuter than ours.

So, sometimes, you just can't help getting off topic.

 

[Riplea]

@FlamingoTutu It definitely brought me back to the forums. My daughter was concerned over all the news so I came here to check it out. My initial reaction to her was “It’s BS”.

Then I see deeming regulation time frame was moved up. Thought I had more years left. So glad I came to ECF and got caught up.

 

[Eskie]

I received an email from CASSA kindly informing me of a vote in front of the NYC Council of a flavor ban on e cigarettes and juice in NYC for this Thursday 9/12.

I keep pretty good track of stuff like this so was really taken by surprise. I immediately reached out to both the Council Speaker and my district Council member. By the end of day (just a little while ago for me) I had received answers back from both that no vote was scheduled, and while an ordinance was on file regarding the flavor issue, no political movement on it was in process. My emails were also forwarded to the Health Committee along with both my email and attached reference materials in the medical literature to add to the pile.

I was happy to see that not all attempts to reach out, at least local politicians, go unheard, but I was a little concerned about CASAA blasting out something like that to scare silly every vaping NYer that turned out to be inaccurate. Granted most people probably weren't on the email list, but I do wish our advocates worked a little harder on keeping things accurate than creating hysteria. Now I feel foolish for wasting whatever political capital I had on getting a hold of these guys and am afraid when it does come up for real debate and vote, I'll be dumped in the "oh, him again, getting us all in a lather tracking down if there was some ordinance coming up we didn't even know about".

That might sound silly, but if we're going to be proactive to be involved and get rumor instead of fact from our advocacy groups we'll en up just damaging our credibility that much more. I'll still follow up with the Health committee and see if I can get a sit-down to share more actual objective information, but our advocates and trade associations shouldn't be playing scare tactics on us. We get enough of that already.

End of rant.I feel better.

On another note, Dick Durbin published an oped piece about kids and vaping and the whole deal. He started it out with a story of standing at the side of the bed of his father dying in his early 50's of lung cancer after a 2 ppd habit of Camels. He went into the "how can you trust these companies that always lied to us" (including bringing up the $35 Billion put into Juul by BT, I knew that was a huge mistake for the vaping world no matter how good for Juul) and how can we trust they won't enslave another generation on tobacco products.

Unfortunately there was no comment option available or I would have asked him why, if his father died from cigarettes, he's so against their use by smokers to stop. I still feel like contacting his office on how he can handle that dichotomy based on watching his own father suffer such a terrible death. Unlike the NY City Council, I doubt I'll get much attention.

 

[rosesense]

I received an email from CASSA kindly informing me of a vote in front of the NYC Council of a flavor ban on e cigarettes and juice in NYC for this Thursday 9/12.

I keep pretty good track of stuff like this so was really taken by surprise. I immediately reached out to both the Council Speaker and my district Council member. By the end of day (just a little while ago for me) I had received answers back from both that no vote was scheduled, and while an ordinance was on file regarding the flavor issue, no political movement on it was in process. My emails were also forwarded to the Health Committee along with both my email and attached reference materials in the medical literature to add to the pile.

I was happy to see that not all attempts to reach out, at least local politicians, go unheard, but I was a little concerned about CASAA blasting out something like that to scare silly every vaping NYer that turned out to be inaccurate. Granted most people probably weren't on the email list, but I do wish our advocates worked a little harder on keeping things accurate than creating hysteria. Now I feel foolish for wasting whatever political capital I had on getting a hold of these guys and am afraid when it does come up for real debate and vote, I'll be dumped in the "oh, him again, getting us all in a lather tracking down if there was some ordinance coming up we didn't even know about".

That might sound silly, but if we're going to be proactive to be involved and get rumor instead of fact from our advocacy groups we'll en up just damaging our credibility that much more. I'll still follow up with the Health committee and see if I can get a sit-down to share more actual objective information, but our advocates and trade associations shouldn't be playing scare tactics on us. We get enough of that already.

End of rant.I feel better.

On another note, Dick Durbin published an oped piece about kids and vaping and the whole deal. He started it out with a story of standing at the side of the bed of his father dying in his early 50's of lung cancer after a 2 ppd habit of Camels. He went into the "how can you trust these companies that always lied to us" (including bringing up the $35 Billion put into Juul by BT, I knew that was a huge mistake for the vaping world no matter how good for Juul) and how can we trust they won't enslave another generation on tobacco products.

Unfortunately there was no comment option available or I would have asked him why, if his father died from cigarettes, he's so against their use by smokers to stop. I still feel like contacting his office on how he can handle that dichotomy based on watching his own father suffer such a terrible death. Unlike the NY City Council, I doubt I'll get much attention.

Is this the one you are referencing?

NEW YORK CITY: (CALL TO ACTION!)

THE FLAVOR BAN IS BACK IN THE CITY COUNCIL!

CASAA has learned that the New York City council could vote as soon as THIS THURSDAY on an ordinance that would ban all flavored vapor and other tobacco products. This is serious and we need everyone in the city to respond!

NYC - [URGENT] Take action to stop a flavor ban

 

[Rossum]

including bringing up the $35 Billion put into Juul by BT

Did Durbin really say that? If so, he's either ignorant or intentionally trying to mislead. What Altria put in was $12.8 billion. Since they got 35% of the company's shares for that, this gave the Juul a theoretical valuation ("market cap" if they were publicly traded) of $38 billion.

 

[Philabos]

Is this the one you are referencing?

NEW YORK CITY: (CALL TO ACTION!)

THE FLAVOR BAN IS BACK IN THE CITY COUNCIL!

CASAA has learned that the New York City council could vote as soon as THIS THURSDAY on an ordinance that would ban all flavored vapor and other tobacco products. This is serious and we need everyone in the city to respond!

NYC - [URGENT] Take action to stop a flavor ban

Heard on the radio this morning Cuomo heading the same way with the State.

The stampede is on.

 

[Eskie]

My words. I misspoke on the amounts. My bad. I remembered the 35 and forgot it was the percent ownership than the amount. Durbin's comments were not specific just using billions of dollars in his piece. Here's a link to the opinion piece.

The vaping epidemic is a major public health threat to our kids (Opinion) - CNN

 

[FlamingoTutu]

@FlamingoTutu It definitely brought me back to the forums. My daughter was concerned over all the news so I came here to check it out. My initial reaction to her was “It’s BS”.

Then I see deeming regulation time frame was moved up. Thought I had more years left. So glad I came to ECF and got caught up.

I'm glad you looked in and took warning. I fear for those who haven't. It's all over the news, how can anyone miss it? I'm surprised @DC2 and truckloads of others haven't shown up. It's all gone to hell in a hand basket.

 

[dreamvaper]

if the NYC Council will vote for the flavor ban on e cigarettes and juice in NYC, not tomorrow but let's say in a week, what can you really do about it? If 100 NYC vapers will get under the building with "Hands Off Vaping" banners will it change anything? Knowing ppl it will be nearly impossible to gather even 1K for the anti-ban protests.

 

[zoiDman]

This Aint Good...

Trump to meet on e-cigarettes as White House considers crackdown

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Because the President via Executive Order/Action has More Authority than the FDA does under the FSTCA.

 

[markfm]

From the WaPo, " Trump administration moves to ban flavored e-cigarettes amid rise in youth vaping ":
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...vored-e-cigarettes-amid-rise-in-youth-vaping/

 

[Blitzdonlife]

A short youtube about the trump administrations plans on banning flavored vaping products.

 

[rosesense]

They act like removing flavored ecigs will take care of youth vaping. Ha, how stupid.

 

[VRx]

I see a big problem with kids mixing their own flavors at home without any knowledge of ingredients. This will cause more illnesses and or worse. Maybe that is their goal for the complete ban of vaping...

 

[zoiDman]

I see a big problem with kids mixing their own flavors at home without any knowledge of ingredients. This will cause more illnesses and or worse. Maybe that is their goal for the complete ban of vaping...

We tend to only bring up trivial facts like that After something like a Flavor Ban is enacted.

 

[Mazinny]

A short youtube about the trump administrations plans on banning flavored vaping products.

Secretary Azar: "The Obama administration allowed these products to go on to the market in an unregulated way, by delaying enforcement, in the hopes that people consuming combustible tobacco would transition to a less harmful nicotine delivery vehicle. But what we're seeing is that kids are getting access to these products ....."

Thus the need for the ban. Thankfully kids have zero access to cigarettes, so there isn't a need to ban them.