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We tend to only bring up trivial facts like that After something like a Flavor Ban is enacted.

I agree, just pointing out potential end game here.

Honestly, I have always disagreed with vaping that is not directly associated with quitting smoking cigarettes but it is unstoppable with or without this or other bans.
 

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Trump can issue an executive order to ban all or aspects of vaping in the name of a national health crisis but it will be followed up very soon after with legislation from Congress making it law. No politician is going to vote against a ban now. Not with all the negative press about vaping.

If I wasn't someone who didn't believe in conspiracy theories I'd think someone purposely spiked those pod cartridges with THC because nothing will wipe out vaping quicker than this.
 

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Secretary Azar: "The Obama administration allowed these products to go on to the market in an unregulated way, by delaying enforcement, in the hopes that people consuming combustible tobacco would transition to a less harmful nicotine delivery vehicle. But what we're seeing is that kids are getting access to these products ....."

Thus the need for the ban. Thankfully kids have zero access to cigarettes, so there isn't a need to ban them.

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This is so depressing........... God help us all.
 

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Trump can issue an executive order to ban all or aspects of vaping in the name of a national health crisis but it will be followed up very soon after with legislation from Congress making it law. No politician is going to vote against a ban now. Not with all the negative press about vaping.

If I wasn't someone who didn't believe in conspiracy theories I'd think someone purposely spiked those pod cartridges with THC because nothing will wipe out vaping quicker than this.

Since the FDA would Not be removing All e-Cigarettes from the market, Only (as if that's Not enough) Flavored e-Cigarette, the FDA would be able to do this on their own under the FSTPCA. And it would Almost Assuredly withstand a Legal Challenge.

So Congress would Not need to be Involved.

Initial Reports were that Trump was going to use an Executive Order to do so to Expedite the Removal process. This Doesn't appear to be the case.

It appears that the FDA is going to Issue a Stop Order. And go thru Normal (if that word can be used Regarding the FDA) Regulatory Process.
 

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Since the FDA would Not be removing All e-Cigarettes from the market, Only (as if that's Not enough) Flavored e-Cigarette, the FDA would be able to do this on their own under the FSTPCA. And it would Almost Assuredly withstand a Legal Challenge.

So Congress would Not need to be Involved.

Initial Reports were that Trump was going to use an Executive Order to do so to Expedite the Removal process. This Doesn't appear to be the case.

It appears that the FDA is going to Issue a Stop Order. And go thru Normal (if that word can be used Regarding the FDA) Regulatory Process.
I have no doubt the executive can put the kibosh on vaping. But legislators don't want to be seen sitting on the sidelines about something so serious to the health of our kids and will want to put it in law.
 

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... But legislators don't want to be seen sitting on the sidelines about something so serious to the health of our kids and will want to put it in law.

They may. But I Doubt it. Because in 242 Days or so, much of this Just Isn't Going to Matter.

And getting a Bill (about just about Anything) thru both the House and the Senate would be an Achievement in and of itself.

Not say'n that Some won't try. But there are a Handful of Introduced Bills that have all kinds of e-Cigarette Bans in them already. And None of those Bills are really going anywhere.

Many Hoped them could Rider a Flavor Ban onto a T21 Bill. But I guess that Doesn't matter now.
 

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I'm very tired of the lie that (only) kids enjoy flavored vaping. I'm currently vaping Black Pepper. Has been my favorite flavor for a few years now. I highly (highly) doubt anyone under age 18 vapes that flavor. I tend to like spicy vapes. Again, doubt any kids do.

Dimitrius (in above) video spoke of 'passionate Trump voters' getting the message on this issue as being lied to. I'm one of those voters. Not shy about it. Don't care if he lied so much as he (Trump) is clearly peddling not just fake news on this topic, but news the Left has been touting for years now. Sad day for America if Trump is gong-ho in that direction. Even sadder that it's on 9/11, when freedom is supposed to matter a little more to us.

The black market and unethical businesses brought about the latest vaping deaths. Put a ban on legal flavors, and you just opened that market up. Wide open. Let's hope the political tide on this turns, otherwise, it's gonna get a whole lot worse before it gets any better.
 

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Bret Baier (Fox news) just aired a very sensible segment on Trump's administration flavor ban proposal. I can't find a video yet, but I'm sure it will be available online later.
Saw it. Has been about the only sane piece of debate I have seen in the past week.
 

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This has most likely all ready been said, but this flavor ban is not going to keep the kids out of the hospital, when they are vaping THC oil off the street. This really ticks me off, they will go threw with this, and when it keeps happening, they will just ban vaping of any kind nation wide. :-x

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They may. But I Doubt it. Because in 242 Days or so, much of this Just Isn't Going to Matter.

And getting a Bill (about just about Anything) thru both the House and the Senate would be an Achievement in and of itself.

Not say'n that Some won't try. But there are a Handful of Introduced Bills that have all kinds of e-Cigarette Bans in them already. And None of those Bills are really going anywhere.

Many Hoped them could Rider a Flavor Ban onto a T21 Bill. But I guess that Doesn't matter now.
All true, but none of those bills had the impetus of kids dropping like flies.
 

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This has most likely all ready been said, but this flavor ban is not going to keep the kids out of the hospital, when they are vaping THC oil off the street. This really ticks me off, They will go threw with this, and when it keeps happening, they will just ban vaping of any kind nation wide. :-x

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It's kind of like the abortion issue. The claim is banning abortion will force back alley procedures. I'm also taken aback by the opioid argument and the 10s of thousands who die every year from addiction to them. Many lawmakers are sensitive to making sure we keep opioids available to those who truly need them due to their high level of effectiveness. No such deference is afforded to vapers it appears.
 

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All true, but none of those bills had the impetus of kids dropping like flies.

That is Very True.

And the Usual Suspects when it comes to Bans and Restrictions seem very Uninclined to point out that this Isn't an e-Liquid issue. It's a e-THC Issue.

But that would Go Against an Agenda that they are Currently Promoting. So Better to throw e-Cigarette Users under the bus where they belong.
 

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That is Very True.

And the Usual Suspects when it comes to Bans and Restrictions seem very Uninclined to point out that this Isn't an e-Liquid issue. It's a e-THC Issue.

But that would Go Against an Agenda that they are Currently Promoting. So Better to throw e-Cigarette Users under the bus where they belong.
Nothing in DC is about anything real. It’s all about personal interest. Truth is what is in the eye of the politician.
 

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Nothing in DC is about anything real. It’s all about personal interest. Truth is what is in the eye of the politician.

Yep... And Everything is Orders of Magnitudes more distorted when we are in an Election Cycle.

And the Way things work Now, we always seem to be in an Election Cycle.

I had Hoped that we could have Gotten to the FDA Drop Dead Date without something Major Happening. But when I saw the Spin the Media put on the 1st Hospitalization, I knew we were Circling the Drain.

I just wonder what you Tell a Small Business Owner who has Never Sold to a Minor, and who Doesn't sell JUUL, why we have to Shut your Business down 6 Months Early?
 

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