Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[AttyPops]

Money + BT's cooperation in eliminating smoking. Only think that makes all this, including India's reaction, make sense to me.

Money and social-engineering. And I think it's been going on for a long time. Since at least FSC and advertising restrictions, /w Waxman et al.

And if that's the real end game, I'm not sure it's all that bad for the country as a whole and future generations. I totally get we're sacrificial lambs being burned here. But remember that BT doesn't HAVE to deal and force smokers to newer products...but they will...in exchange for owning the pie.

I could be wrong, but I can't make other sense of it.

EDIT: And they're actually making it somewhat discouraging to start, with PITA devices, costs, taxes, and limited flavors.

In a way, ironically, it might "save the children" and still give us some nic. :/

I just don't think they can SAY all this, particularly the part about actually making back room deals and eliminating actual cigs.

 

[Bronze]

Don't think I've heard any of the dem candidates express an opinion on vaping, but I think the chances of any of them coming out on our side are about zero. It's just not an issue that fits into the blue hat red hat spectrum.

When Pence's vaping bill happened in Indiana both parties lined up to support it. That was even before Juul and the teen epidemic and killer lung disease.

About the only thing that could help us now is a billionaire.

The leading blue candidate was #2 in the administration who wrote the 2016 Deeming regulations.

 

[zoiDman]

Don't think I've heard any of the dem candidates express an opinion on vaping, but I think the chances of any of them coming out on our side are about zero. It's just not an issue that fits into the blue hat red hat spectrum.

...

Elizabeth Warren has been Very Clear on her views about e-Cigarettes. At least while she was in the Senate.

Elizabeth Warren on Electronic Cigarettes | C-SPAN.org

 

[Brewdawg1181]

Elizabeth Warren has been Very Clear on her views about e-Cigarettes. At least while she was in the Senate.

Elizabeth Warren on Electronic Cigarettes | C-SPAN.org

Almost clicked the link, then realized I don't care even a tiny bit what she had to say. But maybe she was 1/1024th correct in saying it, whatever it was.

 

[Bronze]

Almost clicked the link, then realized I don't care even a tiny bit what she had to say. But maybe she was 1/1024th correct in saying it, whatever it was.

Does anyone really need to click on the link to know how she feels about e-cigs?

 

[englishmick]

Well at least you guys haven't tagged old Bernie yet. I would be sad if I had to put Bernie on my s*** list.

 

[JustWondering1]

Wouldn't be live, since it's a newspaper. And I definitely wouldn't do an audio interview. The only thing I'd consider really, would be written. I think I speak well enough, I guess, but then it'd just be paraphrased, parsed, and put into what they want. If it were written, at least I'd have time to consider how statements could be used out of context before submitting.

I still remember years ago, my wife being interviewed a couple of times for written publications - a newspaper, a magazine. Absolutely nothing went in there verbatim, and they completely fabricated some quotes, because they thought it'd look good. This was nothing terrible, really, to make her look bad or anything - they were just puff piece features, but it opened my eyes a little. Same kind of stuff happened with me, in PR press releases for industry publications. They just pretty much wrote what they wanted, and attributed it to me.

And that's what Oliviera does - puff piece stuff, usually in the Living section, rather than A or business. I looked her up after receiving her first reply. In the email exhchange, you'd find it hard to believe she was a writer. Even in the clip above: run on sentences, "I feel like I do talk about the cases," poor/missing punctuation. It's been like communicating with a 20 something employee, expressing feelings rather than facts. I have no idea if she has an agenda on this, but working for a newspaper- I can guess her political leaning. My hope was to enlighten her a little, and appeal to a young writer that maybe wanted to make a name by actually digging up facts not presented on the front pages of all the other papers & media. Even a little influence could help.

I think it would be a good idea for you to do the interview as long as you and she have a firm agreement about the terms of the interview. The terms should be agreed upon before the interview begins. I think your idea about doing it in writing is a good one. It gives you more control. I would also ask her to allow you to approve final copy for your quotes and the summarization of your views. You can't ask her to slant the story the way you want the story slanted, but you can make sure you and your point of view are presented accurately.

 

[mikepetro]

"When JUUL stopped distributing their mango flavored e-cigarette, the number of kids using mint and menthol skyrocketed," he said. "Mint is essentially a candy flavor, and it's the new 'mango' for kids."

So lets get the kids acclimated to the flavor of tobacco, yeah, thats the ticket.

RIVER

 

[rosesense]

I just want to know how many of you loved the taste of tobacco the first time you smoked? Did it stop you? I hated the taste and smell but.....here I am.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

I just want to know how many of you loved the taste of tobacco the first time you smoked? Did it stop you? I hated the taste and smell but.....here I am.

You just don't really know what love is at 10 years old, soo....

Seriously, I first tried one in 5th grade. Saw a kid in an anti-smoking commercial sneak a cig from parents, go into the bathroom, and cough like crazy when he first lit it. I thought "what a wimp." Grabbed one of my mom's smokes, went into the bathroom, and didn't cough like crazy. Of course, I wasn't inhaling. A friend taught me how to do that in 6th grade.

I don't remember loving the smoke until later, but I do remember loving the smell of a freshly opened Marlboro hardpack, circa 1971-2.

 

[dreamvaper]

So lets get the kids acclimated to the flavor of tobacco, yeah, thats the ticket

Mother accidentally found a "sado-maso" costume in the closet of her teenage daughter.
Tells her husband about her concerns and later that day when their daughter comes back home they ask her to sit on a couch for a family talk.

Both parents are sitting quietly not knowing how to start.
Eventually Farther goes with:
- well, I guess there is no point in spanking you ...

 

[zoiDman]

So lets get the kids acclimated to the flavor of tobacco, yeah, thats the ticket.

RIVER

Think of it as "a Teaching Moment".

Or more precisely... "a Teaching Moment about Paying Taxes".

Or even more precisely... "a Teaching Moment about Them Paying Tobacco Taxes. For the Rest of their Lives".

Or Reality... "About What Happen when something Comes Along that Fools with People Paying Tobacco Taxes for the Rest of their Lives."

 

[Eskie]

Maybe this would wake folks up.

"U.S. health care spending grew 3.9 percent in 2017, reaching $3.5 trillion or $10,739 per person. As a share of the nation's Gross Domestic Product, health spending accounted for 17.9 percent."
Historical - Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services

Now, if folks actually paid for insurance on a population based manner, that would mean your true insurance premium would be $10,000 per person. Not really, as there are costs in there that are paid through secondary and tertiary sources that wouldn't have to reflect in the actual premium.

But let's make believe it would cost half that from you, premium, out of pocket, cosmetic surgery, anything and everything at $5,000. Cut out the purely elective personal preference stuff, OTC purchases (all that stuff does get counted in that GDP figure down to the last Tylenol you took for a headache), allow for out of pocket and deductibles, and your premium should be about $3,000 (these are super rough, but the trend will be apparent).

That's a lot of money for every single person to pay. Now I come along and tell you, "let's let people vape to stop smoking, it'll cut everybody's premium by 10%, or $300". What do you think the reaction of the majority of the population would be?

Now you know why the UK's NHS is pushing vaping. There's no profit at the NHS for more services to be provided, and the public wants to spend the least they can and get the most that'll buy. In the US it's all flipped.

 

[zoiDman]

BTW - POP posted this in his thread...

Bloomberg (Link)

One of the most volatile corners of the municipal-bond market is being whipsawed by Washington.
Securities backed by the payments states receive from the 1998 legal settlement with tobacco companies tumbled at the end of April after legislation was introduced in Congress to raise the age for buying cigarettes, a step that threatened to accelerate the steeper-than-anticipated drop in consumption that’s weighed on the prices of the bonds.

May 8, 2019

It's an Interesting Dynamic.

 

[AttyPops]

Now you know why the UK's NHS is pushing vaping. There's no profit at the NHS for more services to be provided, and the public wants to spend the least they can and get the most that'll buy. In the US it's all flipped.

It's only flipped for now. That writing is on the wall too. It's also why cigs will go bye-bye. The sociological costs to smoking are staggering, just more indirect here. And frankly, we're the original tobacco source. Huge tradition here. Change comes over time. They'll eliminate cigs. "Non smoking future".

 

[zoiDman]

FDA issues proposed rule for premarket tobacco product applications as part of commitment to continuing strong oversight of e-cigarettes and other tobacco products

 

[dedi]

I just want to know how many of you loved the taste of tobacco the first time you smoked? Did it stop you? I hated the taste and smell but.....here I am.

Lol, I hated my first beer too!

 

[mikepetro]

Since 2010, FDA has received thousands of premarket applicationsfor tobacco products, hundreds of which have been PMTAs.Of these PMTAs, FDA has completed its full substantive review on two sets of bundled PMTAs

 

[mikepetro]

I skimmed the the 339 pages and it is abundantly clear that vaping as we know it is being banished.

Only Billion $$+ corporations will be able to provide the resources to meet the requirements for a PMTA, and then it will only be "closed" systems that make it through the eye of the needle.

The only open, refillable, rebuidable, systems that will survive will be those in someone's stash, or the black market.

Winter is coming... HERE

 

[mikepetro]

Whats even scarier is that it is evident that the FDA has done their homework and they do indeed understand the intricacies of vaping. Their level of vaping knowledge is much greater and in depth than the first proposed rules back in 2016. Their request for details like power, Temp Control, coil construction, wicking, tank capacity, amount of nic capable of being delivered, etc are all spelled out.