Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

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I think my letter was disjointed and not well thought out. I do think it conveyed my utter disgust with what they have done.

I was slightly angry while writing it. I did contain myself and not swear like I wanted to. ;)

I Understand. It is hard for Me to type also when my hands are Trembling with Rage.
 

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Has anyone actually looked at the links to the sponsors that are trying to help the cigar industry get exempted from the FDA regs?

CONTACT Those that are on that list that belong to your district. Ask them to also get on board with HR2058. I've contacted mine that are on the list. Yes, it is Dems and Repubs.

Seems as though the cigar industry has bipartisanship. Make them listen to us too.

The exemption for premium cigars is also in the Cole/Bishop amendment passed by the Appropriations committee - which according to Cole has a better chance than HR2058 (although I still support that as well if it is still in play). An amendment (DeLauro's) to take out the premium cigar part was defeated in the same committee by 34-17 - so there is good support for the amendment as written.
 
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Part of their Blends have been coming from...............Wait for it.............

China

For a Long long time.

Top tobacco production :

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:blink: Really? You mean it's not American tobacco even? :blink:

“R.J. Reynolds doesn’t employ farm workers or grow its own tobacco. Because FARM WORKERS ARE NOT OUR EMPLOYEES, we have no direct control over their sourcing, their training, their pay rates, or their housing and access to human services.” –R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company, 2014

Growing Tobacco | The Tobacco Atlas

My point being a lot of industry (and jobs) has been driven offshore by regulation and taxation. Why should we be given a pass if we want to keep the government we have?

Good luck all. :)
 
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The exemption for premium cigars is also in the Cole/Bishop amendment passed by the Appropriations committee - which according to Cole has a better chance than HR2058 (although I still support that as well if it is still in play). And amendment (DeLauro's) to take out the premium cigar part was defeated in the same committee by 34-17 - so there is good support for the amendment as written.
A procedural trick to improve the chances of getting the HR 2058 provisions passed. Attach it to another bill that makes it harder to reject.
 

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:blink: Really? You mean it's not American tobacco even? :blink:

“R.J. Reynolds doesn’t employ farm workers or grow its own tobacco. Because FARM WORKERS ARE NOT OUR EMPLOYEES, we have no direct control over their sourcing, their training, their pay rates, or their housing and access to human services.” –R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company, 2014

Growing Tobacco | The Tobacco Atlas

Good luck all. :)
According to the do-gooders, manufacturing plants pollute and create global warming and tobacco kills people. So send it all to China so now they have all our jobs and all our guilt. Boy, we sure do feel better that its not us causing it!
 

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Does anyone know if there's a decent list of naughty/neutral/nice politicians regarding vaping?

(lol I know the word politicians opens the jokes/rants door...asking anyway)

My understanding is those politicians with an (R) by their name, means they 'respect vaping.' And those with a (D) by their name, means they 'despise vaping.'
 

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My understanding is those politicians with an (R) by their name, means they 'respect vaping.' And those with a (D) by their name, means they 'despise vaping.'
While this is largely true, there are some exceptions and we need to exploit those exceptions.
 

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Below is the response I received from my state senator this morning -


May 9, 2016



Dear Ms. XXXXXXX,

Thank you for sharing your concerns with me about the Federal Drug Administration's (FDA's) newly proposed "grandfather date" regulation for tobacco products. Your letter contained language very similar to many other letters and emails, which might have even been generated from an advocacy group on your behalf. Every letter from an Oklahoman is important to me, and I am happy to know the opinion of so many Oklahomans.

As you may know, on April 24, 2014, the FDA released "deeming" regulations to use a February 15, 2007 "grandfather date" to include cigars, electronic cigarettes, and other tobacco products under FDA authority. Before February 15, 2007, many tobacco products, including cigars, were not available for regulation. Electronic cigarettes were not considered tobacco products until 2011. Many critics of the FDA's rule argue that applying FDA regulations to cigars and electronic cigarettes under the February 15, 2007 rule would be devastating to private businesses and would ban a significant number of electronic cigarette products that millions of consumers use to remain smoke-free. On May 5, 2016, the FDA announced its finalized rule to the deeming regulations, which you can read more about here.

As an advocate for limited government, I support the right of private businesses to limit tobacco use in and reasonably around their premises. States and localities should also have the full authority to restrict smoking and tobacco use within their borders. I also support policies that remove federal regulatory barriers in our free-market economy and give citizens as much control of their own lives and the lives of their families as possible. This retroactive regulation of tobacco products by the FDA, including the selection of a date for some products that precede their invention, is unfair and unacceptable.

On April 28, 2015, Rep. Tom Cole (OK) introduced H.R. 2058, the FDA Deeming Authority Clarification Act. If enacted, H.R. 2058 would amend the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act to change the grandfather date of newly deemed tobacco products to the date when the FDA's "grandfather date" regulation is finalized. This would mean that hundreds of electronic tobacco brands and the dozens of private businesses that sell these products would be able to stay on the market with very minimal changes and at a significantly lower cost. H.R. 2058 has been referred to the House Committee on Energy and Commerce, where it awaits further action. Currently, no Senate companion bill to H.R. 2058 has been offered. I will keep your thoughts in mind, if legislation about this regulation comes to the Senate floor for a vote.

Please feel free to contact me again via email at www.lankford.senate.gov for more information about my work in the United States Senate for all of us.



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Does anyone know if there's a decent list of naughty/neutral/nice politicians regarding vaping?

(lol I know the word politicians opens the jokes/rants door...asking anyway)

Unfortunately for me, every representative in my district is on the naughty (anti-vaping) list, starting with Senator Boxer.

Although I still advocate and send emails and call, I might as well pee in the wind, really.
 
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Coyote Tobacco grows wild in my yard. Oh God, I live on a tobacco product!

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I used to grow nicotania flowers in my house. Might be time to do some research as I seem to remember they are nicotine plants. If so, may need to start growing some more and send pictures to the FDA and ask if that makes my flower pots tobacco products. LOL
 

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Unfortunately for me, every representative in my district is on the naughty (anti-vaping) list, starting with Senator Boxer.

Although I still advocate and send emails and call, I might as well pee in the wind, really.
Boxer is the definition of a lost cause.
 

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