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I found a great pic that you can share. From the Ohio vape rally to protest Governor DeWine's proposed flavor ban.

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The primary problem with their model is not an unrealistic level of harm reduction, but that it assumes far more people would initiate cigarette smoking (presumably as a result of having vaped) than would quite cigarette smoking via vaping! This makes it almost irrelevant what the level of harm reduction is; the model will produce life-years lost no matter whether the degree of harm reduction is 0% or 100%.

The only way this model could reflect reality in the future is if they were anticipating e-cigs being pulled from the market. In that case, you will get plenty of people who initiate smoking and few who quit smoking via vaping.
Yes, but I still wonder how they came up with the 50% and 75%.
 

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I am in love with that lady with the sign. She looks like my kind of ex-smoker, the kind who could throw a punch.

You can't explain the statistics (no one can.) They are derived from common core mathematics, which are impossible to learn (I have yet to meet a child that has done it.) Then the parents can't UNDERSTAND their kids homework, and so the kid is like half common core, half "reasonably understandable mathematics" and the result kind of means that unless the gov't continues some "gifted and talented" classes, well, soon China will own us.

More than it already does.

Also, statistics become this math "thing" where people do not say, "Oh wait a second that seems like nonsense," they go "I'm going to pretend to understand like I did in math class all my life and I got a participation "A" as long as I did not raise my hand, ask for help, or tell my parents that the teacher was also teaching us wicca practices during math class."

No offense, Oh Great Department of Education in the Sky.

Anna
 

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Why does the CDC have to wait for a study from The Mayo Clinic? Is that the normal progression in these cases?

And also, don't they have at least some samples of these carts people were vaping? How do they study those?
Hell, NBC did their own informal mini-analysis in days, by farming it out to a company that specializes in testing cannabis samples.

I hope there's a lot more going on behind the scenes that we're privy too. Otherwise we have to look at how this agency functions and make sure it has the resources necessary to respond.
 

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Why does the CDC have to wait for a study from The Mayo Clinic? Is that the normal progression in these cases?

And also, don't they have at least some samples of these carts people were vaping? How do they study those?
Hell, NBC did their own informal mini-analysis in days, by farming it out to a company that specializes in testing cannabis samples.

I hope there's a lot more going on behind the scenes that we're privy too. Otherwise we have to look at how this agency functions and make sure it has the resources necessary to respond.

i Thought you Liked the CDC?

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i Thought you Liked the CDC?

;)
It's not a binary, it's a spectrum.

I do like science and proper methodology, as a layperson. And I do try not to project my current anger into a (what I perceive as) neutral statement.

But that doesn't mean I don't ask questions, nor does it mean that they won't do a "lessons learned" once all this shakes out. I can almost guarantee that we'll see some interesting budget debates come of all this, it already started with the congressional vaping hearings, and references to out-of-date systems. And if you're an agency subject to congress's purse strings, I suppose that's completely expected.
 

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It's not a binary, it's a spectrum.

I do like science and proper methodology, as a layperson. And I do try not to project my current anger into a (what I perceive as) neutral statement.

But that doesn't mean I don't ask questions, nor does it mean that they won't do a "lessons learned" once all this shakes out. I can almost guarantee that we'll see some interesting budget debates come of all this, it already started with the congressional vaping hearings, and references to out-of-date systems. And if you're an agency subject to congress's purse strings, I suppose that's completely expected.

I'm just Poking the Bear Atty.

:)
 
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