Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[mikepetro]

18 dead, 1080 seriously ill. People are dying just because they want to catch a buzz.
Its a problem, a real bad friggin problem.

We are getting thrown out with the bath water because its the excuse they have been wanting for years.
It will drive our market underground.
Then the problem might surface for us too.

 

[DarrenMG]

18 dead, 1080 seriously ill. People are dying just because they want to catch a buzz.
Its a problem, a real bad friggin problem.

FastStats

Somehow the CDC, removed the parts about crimes against others, to keep it Teddy Bear friendly, but there are far more deaths and harm.

18? In statistical terms it's the lowest priority.

 

[Baditude]

Let me clarify, the media is not making laws that affect us. The laws that do affect us are made by lawmakers. Hold your lawmakers accountable for being idiots, blaming the media is just giving them a pass to be idiots.

Yes stuff in the media can be misleading, why again are you giving law makers a pass for being unintelligent? Why give consumers of media a pass? Personal responsibility ... a dead concept.

Some lawmakers are completely science ignorant, but we all know that's not a valid argument against using science when making policies. Wise lawmakers bring in specialists and experts within the industry to help the policy makers make an unbiased decision.

Other policy makers know exactly what they are doing; they have an agenda to destroy the vape industry so Big Tobacco and Big Pharma can recoupe the lost money that vaping has taken from them pertaining to the Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement. It's obvious that the states that have the most to gain from the MSA were the first to do either a flavor ban or an all out ban on vaping.

I had the opportunity to do an interview with Columbus Channel 10 television at the Ohio Rally. The reporter seemed to be pretty aware and sympathetic to vaper's issues. I haven't seen the interview on TV yet, but he informed me that the station was planning on an extended program on vaping in the near future.

I've been seeing more and more unbiased news reporting lately that is showing vaping in a favorable light. Before it was ALL unfavorable to vaping. The media has been using experts who see nicotine vaping as worthwhile harm reduction to help smokers to quit. And that's what the main message should be.

Why this addiction expert says e-cigarettes are 'holy grail' for public health





Gregory Conley on E-Cigarettes and Public Health Concerns

Video | C-SPAN.org

Rep. Duncan Hunter vapes during House hearing

 

[Rossum]

It's a tough call. Remember, we're still dealing with bureaucrats. And one thing they hate is having their plans altered. Changing the date earlier means messing up the plans for the whole review process. They have money slotted for 2022 to begin the review, likely with a line for salaries to bring on enough people to process them all, even if every single one is rejected. They have to show they at least made an effort to read them and offer up a lame excuse what the problems with the application are.

Moving it earlier means changes in funding, hiring, printing up forms, getting their database software set to handle electronic submissions (which means whoever they awarded the contract to for development, if that's even been done yet), and so on. I'm not sure the regular employees are too thrilled about anything that may now require overtime to implement. After all, they do just work for the government.

If they don't want to work overtime and their systems aren't ready, they do have an easy out come May 11. Just slap this stamp on every application they receive:

If I were the FDA Commissioner, that's what I'd do to stick it to Judge Grimm.

 

[DarrenMG]

If 18 is an epidemic, and 480,000 is not (that is not my number, it is just a number from our government on how many died from smoking every year), then the CDC, FDA, and government in general has lost any sense of the little bit of brains they had left. It's now a company of .......

 

[DarrenMG]

Some lawmakers are completely science ignorant, but we all know that's not a valid argument against it. Other policy makers know exactly what they are doing; they have an agenda to destroy the vape industry so Big Tobacco and Big Pharma can recoupe the lost money that vaping has taken from them pertaining to the Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement.

A sad but very real possible interpretation. Even when I read through the slog of deeming regulations, it was about huge pay out user fees. I was just shaking my head. Where does all that money go?

 

[AttyPops]

ther policy makers know exactly what they are doing; they have an agenda to destroy the vape industry so Big Tobacco and Big Pharma can recoupe the lost money that vaping has taken from them pertaining to the Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement.

I still think they're going after the cigs. But to do that, they need BT to cooperate, and BT needs the "own" the nic market.

TMSA is really short-term and secondary, IMHO.

But I admit I'm guessing.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

 

[Baditude]

 

[BillW50]

I bet he is vaping 0.3% nic and not 3%. And JUUL is 5% nic, not 50%.

 

[DarrenMG]

@Sloth Tonight - Haha, such a winning post!

 

[AttyPops]

October 28, 1919 Prohibition (of alcohol) ratified in the USA.
100th anniversary, October 28, 2019 __________????????????????????? :/

How is it that we as a species/country can't seem to learn from our mistakes?

 

[Katya]

Now that's a big deal. If that accelerated PMTA date gets reset to the original "delayed" 2022 date, that's a ton more playing room to deal with all this. Hopefully by then the THC pulmonary thing will have been worked out and not adding fuel to the fire over the risks associated with "vaping".

I'm not so sure, Eskie. They can move that date all they want, and it would be good for us if they did, but the date that really matters is still the grandfather date. As of now, it's still February 2007 and only Congress can change it. And with everything that's going on, I don't see that happening. Which means that, sooner or later, only products that were on the market in February 2007 and before will be grandfathered in--unless they get approved by the FDA. Every mod, drip tip, TC, tanks, eliquid, Kanthal wire, new coils, pods, everything will need its own application.

 

[DarrenMG]

Still chuckling over @Sloth Tonight post. Fecking gold. LOL!

Genius man, you captured it all in one meme. Brilliant. Get that up on twitter!

 

[zoiDman]

Looks like Oregon is Gone.

Gov. Kate Brown bans all flavored e-cigarettes amid vaping-related lung illness epidemic

 

[puffon]

Looks like Oregon is Gone.

Gov. Kate Brown bans all flavored e-cigarettes amid vaping-related lung illness epidemic

Just the title of that article is so nonsensical...

 

[Katya]

Looks like Oregon is Gone.

Gov. Kate Brown bans all flavored e-cigarettes amid vaping-related lung illness epidemic

Most of Oregon’s victims fell ill after vaping THC oils that they bought at legal marijuana retail stores. State officials have been wary of issuing a blanket ban on THC vape products in part because the precise cause of the severe lung illnesses is not yet known.

 

[Bronze]

Very little seems real to me.

 

[AttyPops]

Looks like Oregon is Gone.

Gov. Kate Brown bans all flavored e-cigarettes amid vaping-related lung illness epidemic

It sounds like horsepoo.

However, it does say this:

Sales of unflavored vaping products would continue. But if in the coming weeks or months investigators connect ingredients in those products to lung injuries, the state will have to immediately ban them, too, the governor’s order says.

IDK how in her mind she's linked flavorings to the contaminant issue, but who knows? Further reason why the CDC needs to get this locked down.

She DID NOT say it was a "save the children" move that I saw. So this is directly vilifying flavorings as being implicated in these illnesses.

This. Makes. No. Sense.

The other stuff is a sham, but at least there's a sort-of-logic to it...if you really believed that flavoring is what is causing the youth vaping "epidemic". But this?

I. Don't. Understand.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

Still chuckling over @Sloth Tonight post. Fecking gold. LOL!

Genius man, you captured it all in one meme. Brilliant. Get that up on twitter!

Haha, I found it on reddit. Wish I could take credit because it really is golden.