Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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I'm not surprised. I've seem to recall a number of career people at the FDA didn't want anything to do with regulating tobacco back when the Tobacco Control Act was being considered and passed into law.
But the fact is, the Tobacco Control act is the law of the land and makes it the FDA's job to regulate tobacco products. Of course, Congress could change that, but somehow I don't imagine it would be very helpful if they took up this question from scratch now.
It's not used in "e-cigarettes" The THC vaping crowd had this notion that one could judge the purity and potency of THC extract based on its viscosity. PG and VG aren't viscous enough to cut THC extract without it becoming noticeably thinner. So a substance was found that could fool their customers. Its odorless and flavorless and benign if applied topically, but obviously not if heated and inhaled.
I may be wrong but from what I understand is when vitamin E acetate is vaporized and inhaled it coats and seals the lungs. I remember years ago where some kids were huffing scotchgard. I can imagine it would be something like that. What a horrible way to die.
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This was their money quote:
Despite their near certainty of cause, they did NOT say this:
Did you see what they did there? Their ignorance no longer seems acceptable -- indeed it is dangerous. They should be long past an inability to distinguish between these products. The only thing they have in common is the word "vaping". And I think it is time to stop overlooking their faux pas; it is now looking deliberate.
[Not mad at you. Just hot under the collar -- again!]
I agree with him. The FDA should not be regulating nicotine e-cigs. So leave us the heck alone!!
Are you kidding? That's all they've been doing from day one. Kids, sex, the cool form factor, and 60 mg/ml nic salts eliquid. Brilliant and totally cynical social media campaign employing hip teen "influencers" pushing this crap all over the Internet. Do any of those people below look like adult smokers trying to quit their deadly habit?
Yes, Juul single-handedly caused the teen vaping epidemic--the contaminated THC carts were the final nail to the coffin.
Yes, but at least in the EU, they can't sell 59 mg/ml carts--20 mg/ml is the TPD limit. Is that why Europe doesn't have the problems we do?
Vaping companies facing European opposition to higher nicotine level
"But the roll-out across European Union countries of Juul, whose devices resemble a USB flash drive and work by vaporizing a nicotine-laced liquid, has been hampered by limits of 20 milligrams of nicotine per millimeter of liquid compared to 59 in the United States.
This, the company says, makes it less effective as an alternative to cigarettes for heavy smokers.
“We will put forward our position that we think the limit should be increased,” Winterton said, looking ahead to a review of the EU’s Tobacco Products Directive in 2021."
I was actually surprised he said that. Is it possible that he never heard about Sottera vs. FDA? Ha, the FDA very much wanted to regulate (read: ban outright) e-cigarettes as drug delivery devices.
Sottera Inc. v. U.S. Food and Drug Administration | Public Health Law Center
"Judge Richard Leon ruled that Congress did not intend tobacco products to be drugs merely because they deliver nicotine—if this were true, traditional cigarettes would also be a drug-device combination product.1 The court also found that the intended use of an electronic cigarette is to encourage nicotine use, rather than prevent or mitigate it.
Senior Circuit Judge Stephen Williams affirmed the District Court’s ruling that electronic cigarettes can be regulated solely as tobacco products, and not as drug-device combination products unless they are being marketed with a therapeutic purpose (cessation).2"
That little ruling saved our (vaping's) very existence from what seemed then like inevitable annihilation almost 10 years ago...
I can, somewhat, but I'm also terribly superstitious.Oh other Kat - ya can't multi-task?
Inhaling any kind of lipids (fats) can cause lipoid pneumonia. I know of people getting sick from inhaling VapoRub--petroleum, also found as in Scotchguard.
Exogenous lipid pneumonia related to long-term use of Vicks VapoRub® by an adult patient: a case report
Does that mean they're also single-handedly responsible for the dramatic decline in teen smoking rates?
No. Smoking rates have been declining for years, among teens especially. Smoking just stopped being cool--it's expensive, impossible to hide/conceal, and is prohibited almost everywhere. My kids report (and I observe it myself daily on the college campus where I work and live) that the vices of choice of young people today are still 1) alcohol, 2) pot, 3) party drugs, and 4) sex. Juul changed that and made vaping/nicotine desirable and hip again.
I know you disagree with me on Juul and its role in this whole mess we're finding ourselves in, we discussed it before. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I see kids and students with Juul pods hanging from their lips or charging on their laptops EVERYWHERE.
Wait, sex is a vice???
Ummm......okay, you're probably right. My kids have caused me quite a bit of trouble over the years.
I vape a commercial e-liquid called Cinna-roll by Cream Team. Setup is an original Uwell Crown tank on a JAC Vapour series B DNA75W.Nice!
BTW, what's your vape in the video? Looks good.
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DEA?
I don't believe the DEA is regulating dispensary (legal) THC or CBD.
I posted the story earlier, somewhere here on ECF, that a THC lab in California that tests for purity and contaminants of THC discovered the presence of vitamin E acetate in a large number of tested black market THC cartridges and warned two different government agencies that deals with marijuana that an impending health crisis was pending should they their sale reach the street in large numbers.
I don't recall what agencies they were, but both said that didn't fall into their responsibility and didn't know what agency it fell under. These conversations took place in late spring or early summer, months before the vaping crisis actually took place. It could have been prevented or been a smaller crisis than it was.
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Agreed. The DEA doesn't regulate anything.
I believe the answer to that is, since THC is federally illegal no federal agency can regulate it. I guess it all makes sense in somebody's head. Don't know about CBD.
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