An interesting factoid, indeed, but I don't think it would help. We need to think like politicians - beat them at their own game, you know?
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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He did--sorta. It's almost impossible to keep up with everything that's going on now...
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Jeff Stier will be live-tweeting Mitch Zeller's presentation to the TMA tomorrow, Tuesday 10th at 9am EST.
We'll be liveblogging and adding context so do check in tomorrow
Also, at 2pm EST Kevin from VPLive will be hosting Mike Siegel for a call in which you can listen to here: Welcome to The VP Live Network
But I thought Coldrake posted that he just watched it??? i haz a confoozd. Never mind, I don't know what day it is anyway.
It is up now to listen to.
You can scroll to the bottom of the VPLive site page SJ put up or VPLive on SoundCloud
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He did... Oliver said Zeller tomorrow, Tuesday 10th at 9am EST, Stier at 2 pm EST.
Oh, never mind...
It's Monday, May 9, 2016.
Heck, I thought we were just doing Senators.
I've got Rod Blagojevich, and Thompson, and the others.
I honestly think if I google, I could possibly get a flush, at least a full house.
I moved away from IL before Blago went on his parade of corruption.Heck, I thought we were just doing Senators.
I've got Rod Blagojevich, and Thompson, and the others.
I honestly think if I google, I could possibly get a flush, at least a full house.
As for me, I was initially shocked, nay, revolted at the degree of outlandish overreach perpetrated by this bureaucracy. Then, I became angry; sooo verrry angry. This thread moved so fast the first several days, it was hard to keep up, and I had to take vape breaks and hunt for my Illudium Q-36 explosive space modulator.
Well, I never did find the Q-36 (I know its around here somewhere), but now I'm in full advocacy mode.
I know a lobbyist, who is very fond of his cigars. I emailed him the full text of the regs, and will see him on Wednesday or Thursday evening. Incidentally, he lobbies for children's health issues. I'd like to get his perspective on this whole issue, and see what insight he may be able to offer on how we fight this to the bitter end. Everyone write, write, write, and then write some more to your elected Reps, and most of all, educate them on the facts and science, because they likely know nothing of the true nature of vaping.
I'll share whatever insights he may be able to offer. Stay tuned...
Well, I never did find the Q-36 (I know its around here somewhere), but now I'm in full advocacy mode.
I know a lobbyist, who is very fond of his cigars. I emailed him the full text of the regs, and will see him on Wednesday or Thursday evening. Incidentally, he lobbies for children's health issues. I'd like to get his perspective on this whole issue, and see what insight he may be able to offer on how we fight this to the bitter end. Everyone write, write, write, and then write some more to your elected Reps, and most of all, educate them on the facts and science, because they likely know nothing of the true nature of vaping.
I'll share whatever insights he may be able to offer. Stay tuned...
Full pressure needs to be put on the Democratic Party. From the head of the DNC on down they have been pushing to kill Vaping and pressure on any Democrat who doesn't follow the Party policy against Vaping. So insure you really push any Democrat in your area to end their assault against Vaping.
Yes this is bizarre, traditionally it's been the GOP who have been in the pockets of Big Tobacco. Personally I believe it's more about the money they're loosing in tobacco tax's to be the main motivation. In any case we need to put a full court press on the Democratic party to end their assault against Vaping.
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Yes this is bizarre, traditionally it's been the GOP who have been in the pockets of Big Tobacco. Personally I believe it's more about the money they're loosing in tobacco tax's to be the main motivation. In any case we need to put a full court press on the Democratic party to end their assault against Vaping.
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I'm waiting for the last minute pardon/commute.
G Rod has been quiet as a church mouse...not exactly in his character.
Omg, nevermind I am all
Me too. I'm listening to a rebroadcast of today's show and he said Siegel will be on tomorrow.
From what I have read the FDA will not concern themselves with anything DIY
initially. I am not aware as of yet anything in the reg's specifically curtailing the
sale of nic-base. What i know the FDA did say is they are at this time not even
concerned with black market sales. While just referring to the cigarette black market
as a guide they do not expect the black market to exceed 10% of the total market.
However the FDA via the deeming regs also stated they reserve the right to change
or modify anything they deem necessary to effectively control and regulate tobacco
products. I suspect as long as DIY and or the Back market doesn't result in the
situation that occurred during prohibition they may just ignore the segments
under the guise of saying ,see we didn't ban e-cigs. Even in light of the fact there
will be little if any legitimate e- cig market left.
The bottom line is if the FDA deems it necessary to get rid of DIY and or the black market
they will. The process to effectively do this either are already in place or in the process
of coming on line.(think homeland security)
Regards
Mike
I think any sane, reasonable person would be able to see that at first glance, but maybe we're not dealing with sane, reasonable people...?
I don't think so. Just because a lawsuit has been filed doesn't mean that the person (or entity) is guilty of any malfeasance. Anybody can file a lawsuit (frivolous or otherwise) in this country--and they do. Even a settlement isn't an indication of guilt--people just don't want to go through the nightmare and cost of litigation.
I'm not defending Hamburg, BTW, I have no idea what she's guilty of or not, but a mere fact that she's being sued means nothing whatsoever.
Excuse me Qew, but you are in the wrong forum, we put NIC in our juice here.Omg, nevermind I am all
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