Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[YoursTruli]

cigalikes will, but that's not a problem, since if you get tired of crappy cigalikes that didn't work well back in 2007, then BT will happily sell you tobacco cigarettes. Win Win.

T

but I do not believe any of the cig-alikes currently on the market are comparable to the ones that were available in 2007, meaning, all cig-alikes would also have to go through the PMTA to gain approval along with everything else. Everything currently on the market, everything, will have to submit a PMTA and gain FDA approval.

 

[Katya]

Oh Tweety, just because they're the only ones manufacturing anything identical to what was available in Feb. 2007...

Seriously though, I am now starting to wonder. With all the onerous testing the FDA has tacked on, will BT even be able to pass through with SE?

They wouldn't need to if all competition folds. They can just keep selling cigarettes.

My sentiments exactly...

 

[nicnik]

How can you tell if an adolescent is brain damaged?

All I know, is that before running any tests, you need to be firmly commited to the results you hope to see.

 

[buffaloguy]

I am going to agree that this could have some merit...

But I doubt CASAA can afford that at this time.

Now if every one of their 120,000 plus members donated $10 today...
That would be a start.

Is that the very best way for them to use their funds?
I don't know, and I couldn't say.



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Imo, they cant afford not to have PR. If they cant market their stance, no one will listen. Shouting into the wind wont help if no one can hear it.

I'll drop them an email and ask. Although Im not in a position to do much lately.

 

[Belushi]

I think congress is about to shut this down, base this on the response I got from Michael Burgess (Texas)...

"The current “grandfather date” set under the Tobacco Control Act is February 15, 2007, which require new products to undergo a pre-market review process to ensure that the product meets the new guidelines set forth, or is equivalent to a product currently grandfathered. Due to the fact that e-cigarettes and vaping products were not produced on a mass scale until after this date, these were not taken into consideration when the bill was passed and still fall under stricter regulation which were written with traditional tobacco products in mind."

 

[The Ocelot]

I just listened to "Deeming for Dummies," an interview with Cynthia Cabrera, the president of SFATA. Very informative. Scroll down the page to the rebroadcasts.

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[supertrunker]

but I do not believe any of the cig-alikes currently on the market are comparable to the ones that were available in 2007, meaning, all cig-alikes would also have to go through the PMTA to gain approval along with everything else. Everything currently on the market, everything, will have to submit a PMTA and gain FDA approval.

I'm not so sure; they all have that same 3 part composition - battery, nic filled carto on one end sandwiching a heating atomiser element.

I'd argue they were substantially equivalent. Maybe the batteries are a little better now, but let's be honest - not by much!

T

 

[nicnik]

I GOT IT!!!!

We go to the Capitol Barber Shop and collect hair clippings off the floor every day for the next 88 days. On day 89, we throw them all in a jar with PG, VG, Nic, and horse-poo flavoring, then we offer it for sale at someone's vape shop.

After 88 days of collection, we could say we have high confidence that we have at least one senator, one congressman, and one regulators hair in our juice- even if we don't, we could never PROVE that we don't, right.

Then they'd have to regulate all those idiots as tobacco products.

Problem solved. You're all welcome.

I want some of whatever it is you use to fill your think tank.

 

[The Ocelot]

Sorry I did not have time to listen to Kevin's show as of yet... so it is not until tomorrow at 2pm est?

At the end of the broadcast Kevin said he still hadn't heard from Siegel. He thinks the interview will be tomorrow (Tuesday) at 2pm EST, but he will confirm on his fb page & twitter.

 

[Katya]

Well I figured them for dropping their e-cig lines a year after the final deadline anyway, but they may not have to.

The FDA just handed a huge gift to BT...

 

[zoiDman]

Although I think the far reach of the FDA deeming has taken everyone by surprise (to put it mildly) it is interesting to see how it compares to the general thoughts/conjecture expressed of what it would cover and affect all these years.

If the FDA had Released this in 2014, I would not have been Very surprised.

But in 2016? With the what we know Today about e-Cigarettes? And with what the UK and even France have been putting forth?

Seems like FDA Thinking from 2 Years Ago. Which was Behind the times then.

 

[Katya]

I think congress is about to shut this down, base this on the response I got from Michael Burgess (Texas)...

"The current “grandfather date” set under the Tobacco Control Act is February 15, 2007, which require new products to undergo a pre-market review process to ensure that the product meets the new guidelines set forth, or is equivalent to a product currently grandfathered. Due to the fact that e-cigarettes and vaping products were not produced on a mass scale until after this date, these were not taken into consideration when the bill was passed and still fall under stricter regulation which were written with traditional tobacco products in mind."

Well, nice to see that somebody gets it! Thank you, Mr. Burgess.

Don't mess with Texas.

 

[Katya]

Seems like this FDA Thinking from 2 Years Ago.

Actually, it's even worse now than it was 2 years ago, IMHO. .......s.

 

[DC2]

I'm not so sure; they all have that same 3 part composition - battery, nic filled carto on one end sandwiching a heating atomiser element.

Have you ever read this thread?
Summary of substantial equivalence rulings

 

[zoiDman]

How have tobacco stocks done since the announcement?

Actually, maybe it would be more relevant to look at how they started doing a while back. Anybody have a good estimate how far in advance the final rules would have been leaked to favored investors?

My shares of RAI have done Little.

Reynolds American Inc.

If you go to this Site, you can set the Slider for 1D, 5D, 3M, 8m, ...

 

[skoony]

Well folks after this post i am hitting the hay for the night.
A recent post concerning substantial equivalence got me thinking.
I know, I know every time I start thinking nothing good ever
comes of it. Here it is anyway.

The SE approach may not be attainable even if your product
is a perfect example of a product made before the grandfather
date. Prior art or production drawings will not be sufficient because
to prove equivalence you would need the actual pre grandfathered
product actually made pre grandfathered to test side by side with the
post grandfathered product. This would be the only definitive way
to prove they are substantially the same.

The FDA has stated they have an example pre grandfathered product
in their possession made in 2006. It is unclear if it is a actual physical
product, a schematic or a patent copy. If it is a real object they do
not show any inclination of presenting it to the public nor any manufacturer
who would desperately need it to conduct testing for compliance if they
are not in possession of such a sample themselves.

Well that's my final thought for today.
Sleep tight,don't let the bed bugs bite.
Regards
Mike

 

[zoiDman]

Actually, it's even worse now than it was 2 years ago, IMHO. .......s.

I always thought it would be Worse that they Told us it would be.

But This?

This leaves No Doubt that the FDA wants to "Clear the Deck" and allow Only a Select Few in the e-Cigarette Game.

 

[Spazmelda]

My husband downloaded the submission guidelines while he was at work today and was reading them this evening. He was shocked (and he's not a vaper or a smoker). As I said, he works in OTC, but has worked on prescription drugs before. He said these regulations were way more than what OTC has to do and more along the lines of what prescription drugs have to go through to get approval. With the added epidemiological studies piled on as well. So, I think that even though they were told in court they couldn't regulate vapor products as a drug, they just basically went ahead and did it anyway, just slapping a different title on it.

I plan on writing letters tomorrow in support of the change of grandfather date. One of my reps is Sherrod Brown, erg. I'll go ahead and write not that I've ever gotten anything but a canned response from his staffer thanking me for supporting the fight against evil e-cigs. Eye roll.

 

[The Ocelot]

Have you ever read this thread?
Summary of substantial equivalence rulings

Sigh. They been loving us long time.

 

[zoiDman]

... Then, I became angry; sooo verrry angry. This thread moved so fast the first several days, it was hard to keep up, and I had to take vape breaks and hunt for my Illudium Q-36 explosive space modulator. ...