Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Brewdawg1181]

The most obvious example is the military budget that we all MUST pay for, and it's considered a "need". If that's a shared need, and can be paid for...mandated...then so can other needs.

The obvious push-pull is the individual vs the social-needs.

The right-wingers are in hypocritical territory when they keep upping mandatory defense budgets (which I agree is a shared need, and thank them for their service) but want to privatize everything else. Hell, the military is so "socialist" that it GIVES you healthcare, education, and it OWNS YOU if you're enlisted. With "free" clothes and lodging too. And obligation. They just manage to justify that fact with rhetoric.

Okay, last one, because that statement is just too wrong to stand unchallenged:

1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Not hypocritical. I'm not talking about "shared needs." Defense is specifically noted in the constitution. So much else in the last century is tortured interpretations of General Welfare. And because SS and Medicare are not uniform, strictly speaking- they are really not constitutional as currently implemented. If it's not laid out in the constitution, those powers are given to the states.

 

[AttyPops]

When did I say it wasn't in the constitution? Just so you know, the founders wouldn't recognize this radical individualism. Their healthcare WAS "social"...what there was of it...was often community based, as was education. And General Welfare is just that, general welfare.

 

[CMD-Ky]

I agree with you. Sadly, "constitutionality" varies with the times. Judges are not created in heaven but in the equivalent of a smokey back room. And, what is this Amendment X of which you speak, there are times when I think that it has been de facto repealed.

Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. (19 How.) 393 (1857) was once the law of the land.
Plessy v. Ferguson, 163 U.S. 537 (1896) held that segregation was acceptable.
Wickard v. Filburn, 317 U.S. 111 (1942) held that a farmer could not grow wheat which was grown solely for his own consumption as violative of the commerce clause.
National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius, 567 U.S. 519 (2012) held a that mandate to purchase health insurance was acceptable if a mandate is styled as a tax.

Okay, last one, because that statement is just too wrong to stand unchallenged:

1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Not hypocritical. I'm not talking about "shared needs." Defense is specifically noted in the constitution. So much else in the last century is tortured interpretations of General Welfare. And because SS and Medicare are not uniform, strictly speaking- they are really not constitutional as currently implemented. If it's not laid out in the constitution, those powers are given to the states.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

Facts vs.

 

[stols001]

Read some John Rawls and freedom from, vs freedom to. Every state is different and in AZ, the state minimums for like, car insurance are pretty damn low. You can get hit by an insured person and if your vehicle is NICE like, well, good luck.

This is why we have higher coverage, ALTHOUGH I have no idea why our cars are HIGHLY functional elderly POS. The husband does a lot of mechanics stuff he has a 15 year old Subaru something. I have a BASE BASE (I had to get nothing added in order to get a manual transmission.) I don't even have AUTO lock doors dude. That's my one gripe with my Mazda 3, well that and I'm still rehabbing the transmission (it can be done!) when it was overloaded and we drove it to Sedona after the house fire. I said to the husband after carefully nursing it while running an errand "Be careful with my baby it is handling like a PIG." Did he listen? No. I should have driven. We would have gotten there slower but I would have preserved my gear ratios.

Sorry, rambling stressed but ALSO especially in AZ, it is so easy to hit an uninsured and illegal Mexican. Dude, this one time my son, I and a neighbor were corralling a loose horse I found in the street and we were trying to flag down cars, but would this one guy stop? OF COURSE NOT he was worried about his lack of licensure. If anything he sped up... I will say, to be fair, that damn horse leaped out in front of him like a UNICORN at that point it was hopeless but like, HAD he stopped, his life would have been better as he was headed to prison.

It happened while I was calling the cops and I described the vehicle but only briefly (THEY SO SO ask for exactly this reason.) The dude was forlornly examining his friend's car and contemplating prison. Etc. I told him, "You can go if you want, they don't have a plate number on anything...." I was more concerned about the horse.

Arizona is still the freaking WILD WILD WEST. Oh goody we got our FIRST Cochise county case. YAY, Jesus, tomorrow gonna be fun.

Okay so we are going to be reamed all of us like that horse was (it wound up okay.) I wish I had just taken it into ANY Contained area in retrospect, it was starting to look at me funny like, "F U lady let go my leadrope I don't know you." I was trying to find its home, dumb. Oh well. No one died.

See what I mean? I HATE PEOPLE BUT I WANT TO HELP EVERYONE! I stop for loose horses, they ARE far MEATIER than deer and it was a super sweet horse. LOL.

Well, the government can like, throw away one object of penetration for me I AM STOCKED.

I better look on Amazon though like as in RIGHT this minute to see if I can buy ricolas anywhere. Sigh. Diet pepsi is easy, but sometimes addictions are hard to maintain.. And also some other items, sigh.

I bet price gouging has started.

Anna

 

[dreamvaper]

Most consider the "catch it twice" rumors to be errors in testing


Read a report from virologists who were investigating such cases and it seems like that the (mostly) young people who recover from covid19 faster with mild symptoms are only developing a short time immune response and may "catch it twice" in a week or two.
People who are with mid-severe symptoms and recover longer are developing a long term immune response to it and are protected.

 

[Katya]

Hello dear friends. I just received this email from the VTA--maybe this news will cheer you up a bit. Not a done deal yet, but most definitely a possibility.

BREAKING NEWS:
FDA SEEKS PMTA DEADLINE EXTENSION CITING COVID-19
March 30, 2020


Today, the FDA submitted a letter to the U.S. District Court for the District of Maryland, in American Academy of Pediatrics, et al. v. FDA, et al., asking Judge Grimm to extend the May 12, 2020 court-ordered PMTA deadline by 120-days to September 9, 2020 “in light of the global outbreak of respiratory illness caused by a new coronavirus.”

FDA explained in its submission that “the global coronavirus outbreak poses unforeseen challenges and has made the May 12 deadline a public health risk to those who cannot comply with the deadline through telework.” In addition, FDA explained that telework also will complicate and delay FDA’s review of applications.

In deciding to request a 120-day extension, FDA noted that it had received requests from numerous trade associations and companies, including consultants involved in the PMTA process, for extensions “between 8 weeks and 180 days, with the majority of requests for 180 days.” VTA was one of those entities that submitted a request to FDA and did so on March 20, 2020 outlining the basis and necessity for deadline extensions for large manufacturers and small manufacturers.

At this point in time, no one can predict the length and severity of the COVID-19 commercial shutdown. FDA explicitly recognized this point in the Second Declaration of Mitchell Zeller which accompanied the letter to the Court. In his Declaration, Director Zeller testified: “It is not clear at this point what the precise impact of the COVID-19 outbreak will be on the scope of FDA’s ability to complete application reviews within the 12-month period of time once applications are filed.” That is precisely why VTA requested a new deadline of November 2020 (or at least 180 days from business resumption) for large manufacturers, and a new deadline of February 2021 (or at least 270 days from business resumption) for small manufacturers. To that end, VTA explained that “the question of whether these deadline changes are sufficient or ultimately realistic can and must be re-evaluated in the coming months as more information comes to light about the length and severity of the commercial shutdown due to COVID-19.”

Moreover, VTA also encouraged FDA to utilize the additional time to implement PMTA process modifications that will ensure the survival of small businesses and a diverse array of the vapor products on which former smokers now rely.

In its letter to the District Court, FDA notes that the plaintiffs (American Academy of Pediatrics, et al.) will not oppose the FDA’s request, though the plaintiffs have requested the opportunity to “express their misgivings about the extension on the record.” In order to rule, Judge Grimm still will have to have the case remanded to him by the Fourth Circuit and then he would need to make his decision on whether or not to grant the FDA’s request.

However, given the strong case made by the FDA, the obvious insurmountable obstacles created by the coronavirus, and the apparent lack of opposition by the plaintiffs, a ruling extending the deadline is reasonably likely though still not certain.
We will continue to monitor the situation and will keep you apprised.

 

[stols001]

Ah ha! My thoughts of having the FDA being too busy for this MAY be validated god I hope so, etc.

I feel bad for all the vape shops which closed, but I guess you takes your money and you takes your chances, Sigh.

Anna

 

[CMD-Ky]

Ah ha! My thoughts of having the FDA being too busy for this MAY be validated god I hope so, etc.

There is a bright side to this dismal picture.

 

[NolaMel]

Hello dear friends. I just received this email from the VTA--maybe this news will cheer you up a bit. Not a done deal yet, but most definitely a possibility.

BREAKING NEWS:
FDA SEEKS PMTA DEADLINE EXTENSION CITING COVID-19
March 30, 2020


Today, the FDA submitted a letter to the U.S. District Court for the District of Maryland, in American Academy of Pediatrics, et al. v. FDA, et al., asking Judge Grimm to extend the May 12, 2020 court-ordered PMTA deadline by 120-days to September 9, 2020 “in light of the global outbreak of respiratory illness caused by a new coronavirus.”

FDA explained in its submission that “the global coronavirus outbreak poses unforeseen challenges and has made the May 12 deadline a public health risk to those who cannot comply with the deadline through telework.” In addition, FDA explained that telework also will complicate and delay FDA’s review of applications.

In deciding to request a 120-day extension, FDA noted that it had received requests from numerous trade associations and companies, including consultants involved in the PMTA process, for extensions “between 8 weeks and 180 days, with the majority of requests for 180 days.” VTA was one of those entities that submitted a request to FDA and did so on March 20, 2020 outlining the basis and necessity for deadline extensions for large manufacturers and small manufacturers.

At this point in time, no one can predict the length and severity of the COVID-19 commercial shutdown. FDA explicitly recognized this point in the Second Declaration of Mitchell Zeller which accompanied the letter to the Court. In his Declaration, Director Zeller testified: “It is not clear at this point what the precise impact of the COVID-19 outbreak will be on the scope of FDA’s ability to complete application reviews within the 12-month period of time once applications are filed.” That is precisely why VTA requested a new deadline of November 2020 (or at least 180 days from business resumption) for large manufacturers, and a new deadline of February 2021 (or at least 270 days from business resumption) for small manufacturers. To that end, VTA explained that “the question of whether these deadline changes are sufficient or ultimately realistic can and must be re-evaluated in the coming months as more information comes to light about the length and severity of the commercial shutdown due to COVID-19.”

Moreover, VTA also encouraged FDA to utilize the additional time to implement PMTA process modifications that will ensure the survival of small businesses and a diverse array of the vapor products on which former smokers now rely.

In its letter to the District Court, FDA notes that the plaintiffs (American Academy of Pediatrics, et al.) will not oppose the FDA’s request, though the plaintiffs have requested the opportunity to “express their misgivings about the extension on the record.” In order to rule, Judge Grimm still will have to have the case remanded to him by the Fourth Circuit and then he would need to make his decision on whether or not to grant the FDA’s request.

However, given the strong case made by the FDA, the obvious insurmountable obstacles created by the coronavirus, and the apparent lack of opposition by the plaintiffs, a ruling extending the deadline is reasonably likely though still not certain.
We will continue to monitor the situation and will keep you apprised.

Long time no see, Katya Hope you and yours are doing well
Optimistic news indeed! Thank you for a bit of brightness today

 

[Myrany]

Long time no see, Katya Hope you and yours are doing well
Optimistic news indeed! Thank you for a bit of brightness today

Glad to see you NolaMel. I just saw the Louisiana numbers for today and immediately thought about you and yours in the middle of all this.. We jumped 1200 cases overnight. Prayers headed your way.

 

[NolaMel]

Glad to see you NolaMel. I just saw the Louisiana numbers for today and immediately thought about you and yours in the middle of all this.. We jumped 1200 cases overnight. Prayers headed your way.

Thank you. People are really on edge here. It’s spiraling out of control too quickly.

For everyone here...

 

[Katya]

Long time no see, Katya Hope you and yours are doing well
Optimistic news indeed! Thank you for a bit of brightness today

We're well, on edge, as everyone else. Good to be back here with a little ray of hope, such as it is... Take care of yourself and yours and don't touch your face--whatever you do. Hugs and prayers for all of us. This too shall pass....

 

[NolaMel]

We're well, on edge, as everyone else. Good to be back here with a little ray of hope, such as it is... Take care of yourself and yours and don't touch your face--whatever you do. Hugs and prayers for all of us. This too shall pass....

As long as we keep our sense of humor, we’re good...

 

[mikepetro]

https://www.medpagetoday.com/meetin...1&utm_term=NL_Daily_DHE_dual-gmail-definition

 

[MacTechVpr]

https://www.medpagetoday.com/meetingcoverage/acc/85707?xid=nl_mpt_DHE_2020-04-01&eun=g1180594d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily Headlines Top Cat HeC 2020-04-01&utm_term=NL_Daily_DHE_dual-gmail-definition

We've done that here every day.

(Keep up the good work!)

Good luck all.

p.s. Sounds to me like they need more vaping counsellors.

 

[classwife]

Deeming Regulations

 

[HBcorpse]

Deeming Regulations

Yeah?

WHADDABOUDEM???

:being goofy:

 

[Kent C]

I hope you are Right Atty.

Because Herd Immunity takes a Large Percentage of the Population to be Infected. And then to Recover. So we might be Able to "Flatten the Curve" to mitigate the near-term effect to the Hospital/Healthcare Industry. But the Area Under the Curve would Need to be the about the Same for Herd Immunity to work in the longer term.

A Vaccine would be a Magic Bullet. If it can be found?

Thought of this early on, and zoidman's post gives it the most context - long term...

Since the elderly, who are compromised with respiratory conditions (and other factors), are the most vulnerable with covid 19 (but other flus as well), something that would tend to mitigate that vulnerability, would be reducing respiratory illnesses.

As with covid19, the effects of smoking, attacks, generally speaking, those in the 50+ age group. Removing most of the regulations/deemings for vaping, would be one of the best solutions for decreasing the most vulnerable in the future - not only from the effects of smoking but of viral flus as well. Flus are respiratory ailments.

The main justification for regulating vaping has been to prohibit teen vaping, but no matter what studies and "models" show, there are many smokers who started smoking in their teens who must have overcome any effects of nicotine on the brain, resulting in very smart people (in some cases - geniuses) going about their 'normal' lives, working, innovating, inventing and basically demonstrating their competence in a variety of occupations (politicians excepted).

With the current epidemic, many compromises are being made - some never thought of before. These compromises should apply to vaping, for a more healthy future.

 

[Katya]

Removing most of the regulations/deemings for vaping, would be one of the best solutions for decreasing the most vulnerable in the future - not only from the effects of smoking but of viral flus as well.

Right. The House Oversight Committee is on it as we speak...

Oversight Committee urges FDA to ban e-cigarettes, vaping over coronavirus risks