As explained by Bryan in his presentation. (paraphrasing) - look at the virus as a chain, and there are weak links that are vulnerable to heat, humidity, sunlight/uv. The 'other links' are quite strong.
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As explained by Bryan in his presentation. (paraphrasing) - look at the virus as a chain, and there are weak links that are vulnerable to heat, humidity, sunlight/uv. The 'other links' are quite strong.
I cannot agree that it was the lesser of evils but agree completely that the populace lacks the stomach to do otherwise.
In Hindsight, an Argument could be made that it wasn't. But that goes for Many things in Hindsight.
But, as you say, the Populace would Not have Tolerated just letting things Run their Course, then really there Wasn't an Option.
And someone told me once... "When there is Only One Option, it Doesn't Really Matter if it is Good or Bad."
Maybe a few years down the road someone will run the numbers and figure out what the best choice would have been. Or review how things worked out around the world with all the different choices that were made. Or different States in America. But everyone was stumbling around in the dark when it started. And still are really.
Some people are paid to to have their "finger on the pulse", but didn't for whatever "reason".
You can "crunch the numbers" after the fact, but the problem remains that we have to crunch numbers after the fact to "see what happened" or "what went wrong".
With a country as tightly regulated as the USA, and as "rich" as the USA, there is no good reason for how poorly this has been handled and for the damage it has caused and the damage that has yet to come.
There are far too many enemies inside the gate occupying high places and far too many people getting paid for jobs that they don't do (for whatever reason). That's the long and short of it.
I don't know that it'll all be hindsight. I'll admit, I vacillated a lot on this one, and I'm sure I'm not alone: From overblown hype, to wow, look at those number go up- this could be really bad. Then, why aren't we hearing more real science- surely they've been testing this thing since the new year? Then, mid March- 13th (when my business was shut down), to be exact - I told my wife: "I'm not afraid of this virus, but I'm really afraid of the response." I think it was March 10th that a metro Atl county closed their all schools because a single teacher was infected. They were supposed to open in a couple days, but never did. By 3/13, all other county schools were closed, without a single other infection. NONE of those kids contracted the virus, of course.
Then before March was over, I was saying they were using a sledgehammer on this thing, when some tweezers would be more appropriate (see a little more focus on high risk people/areas/contact tracing). And I couldn't believe the shutdown kept growing, in spite of relatively small percentage of deaths. And I couldn't believe how long it took before I started hearing other voices asking about what this would do to the economy.
And now here we are, when anyone says that a balance should be struck between health concerns and the economy, we're back into 2 separate camps, and branded selfish, stupid science deniers.
I have one simple statement for everyone on the COVID train.
Dying of starvation is 100% fatal. I have absolutely never met a person who died of starvation telling me they were afraid of ANY virus, let alone this one. Because they don't talk mainly but to be honest, I bet if a person were close to dying of starvation would eat a piece of bread even if liberally coated in COVID butter sauce 19. I know I would.
Nowhere is good but I must say an extension of deeming doesn't do much for me if I cannot afford to buy anything not that I need to but HOLY SMOKES.
What amazes me is the fact the US population sat down and ATE this. Even for one DAY.
That scares me about a billion times more than COVID EVER did. I had a bunch of pinkeye too, before my mysterious "do I have asthma again" couple weeks of work. I believe it's time to return to normal HOESTLY.
But, and I'm sorry if you want to take over the last truly free and non communistic country, well, you need to destroy what is actually THERE first.
To me the problem is exceedingly simple.
Anna
Dying of starvation is 100% fatal. I have absolutely never met a person who died of starvation telling me they were afraid of ANY virus, let alone this one. Because they don't talk mainly but to be honest, I bet if a person were close to dying of starvation would eat a piece of bread even if liberally coated in COVID butter sauce 19. I know I would.
Nowhere is good but I must say an extension of deeming doesn't do much for me if I cannot afford to buy anything not that I need to but HOLY SMOKES.
What amazes me is the fact the US population sat down and ATE this. Even for one DAY.
That scares me about a billion times more than COVID EVER did. I had a bunch of pinkeye too, before my mysterious "do I have asthma again" couple weeks of work. I believe it's time to return to normal HOESTLY.
But, and I'm sorry if you want to take over the last truly free and non communistic country, well, you need to destroy what is actually THERE first.
To me the problem is exceedingly simple.
Anna
Yes, I think you are correct. I'm not a Republican, nor a Trump lover, but I have to say I love the fact that he's not a career politician.
He isn't always right in his beliefs nor his actions, but I've given up on the other folks in office. Just wish he could tame his mouth a teeny bit more.
Juul. It's all their fault really. If we just carried on, as you phrased it as "a dismissible "hobby"", we wouldn't have been noticed nor really cared about. More folks would have quit ciggies and enjoyed vaping.It's amazed me how so many could suspend disbelief to conceive that the necessary outlays and allocations to protect the consumer right could be dispensed with. Without a market there is no business.
Had we persisted as a dismissible "hobby", an artisanal quirk of diy juice makers and modders, the industry could have grown like clover underneath it all. It's ubiquitous acceptance as prevalent as smoking ever was. Objections to it as evidently absurd to all as they are in practice to us.
As I've often said, vaping is more like cooking than most anything else that we do. And who would presume to outlaw cooking?
Good luck all.
But, when you get the Puritans all riled up about their kiddies, then watch out. Burn those witches at the stake.
To your first question: I don't think so, since the unemployment and all its follow on stuff would not have happened.
To your second question: flattening the curve, as it's been called everywhere, may have been to avoid over burdening hospitals. But, really that hasn't happened almost anywhere but NYC. And, flattening the curve doesn't imply lowering fatalities, just spreading them out.
I disagree. If we had simply suggested to the folks who were most at risk [the stats worldwide are perfectly clear that it's people with one or more underlying medical issues, and maybe those 70+] that they were in danger and that if they wish to self-quarantine then we would arrange for food/meds delivery to them. It would have cost us a fraction of the trillions which have been spent, and the economy would have moved along as always. Instead, I'm very concerned.
We're certainly on the poster, but you can also look at the EU for an over-regulation poster mate.
You are, IMHO, correct. The numbers of deaths are not way out of line with the deaths for the common flu this flu season.
Sweden, which hasn't shut down but only limited itself, has had more fatalities than other scandinavian countries, but not a ton more.
We screwed up royally. I hope we can figure out how to recover.
With 53,600 People in the USA currently Dead, and more coming Every Day, I just Can't see how the Average Person would have been OK with doing Nothing but Voluntary Recommendations. And that things would have been Business as Normal with 5 or maybe even 10 Times the Current Mortality Rate.
As it has been Mentioned here before, the Average American just Doesn't have the Stomach for numbers like that without Demanding that the Government "Do Something".
So we're kinda back to there was No Viable Option.
BTW - If States and the Feds knew then what they Know Now, I Don't Think they would have have done such Heavy Handed Stay-at-Home order(s).
But they Didn't. No One Did.
They Banked on being Out-of-the-Woods by now. And that if we could just Last it Out, we could ramp things back up efficiently.
That's how any recovery is done, frankly. Always. You have to spend your way out of a depression or recession.
The operative question is...what do you get for it?
The stimulus is smart. Both "sides" agreed on it, with some f-ing around, in relatively short order. That in and of itself is astounding and puts to rest the entire "deficit spending" argument.
Putting the cash into the working class's hands means they'll spend it on things locally and nationally. Mostly because at least 50% of them were living paycheck to paycheck before all this hit. Padding the fat cat's wallets so they can stuff it into the caymans and/or invest it in foreign companies, or "bailing out" companies that don't need it...doesn't help much.
Next up they should "print" some more and fix infrastructure and stuff. Also a big win for the economy. And the "fixed up America" is conceptually worth more than the "crumbling America" and the dollar stays strong.
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