You know, I beginning to think that nobody knows what's going to happen, including the FDA. They're gonna make it up as they go along.
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Need help from former MFS (MyFreedomSmokes) customers
Has any found a supplier or company that has tobacco e-juice like or very similar to MFS Turbosmog, Tall Paul, or Red Luck?
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I thought they changed that some time ago. But I may be wrong. Don't quote me.
Changed what? If the same is offered in both nic and 0mg nic? The 0mg one doesn't require a PMTA? That would be great and I really don't see how the FDA could enforce 0mg juice to pass a PMTA anyway.
Personal Use
The FD&C Act does not exempt tobacco products imported for personal use from applicable requirements for tobacco product imports.
Importing and Exporting
Now.... We can do the "What is a Tobacco Product" debate for the Nine Hundredth and Eighty Seven'th time. But in the Eyes of the FDA, just about Everything we use is.
So if get a Form from Customs say'n that your Item is Not going to show up, because it is being Held as Evidence of a Possible Crime, don't be surprised.
Vape gear, eliquids, and nicotine base are not going to be illegal for individuals to own or use come Sept 10. This is a whole different realm from classic controlled substances. No prescriptions, no licenses, no...
FDA's Center for Tobacco Products (CTP) definition indicates that importer is intended in a commercial (sale/distribution) sense:
"Importer means any person who imports any tobacco product that is intended for sale or distribution to consumers in the United States"
Net, their own verbiage indicates that if I have bought something from overseas at a personal use quantity, I shouldn't fall under the category of either manufacturer or distributor from an Importer perspective, and since the products are not actually illegal to own or use in the US, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
FDA's Center for Tobacco Products (CTP) definition indicates that importer is intended in a commercial (sale/distribution) sense:
"Importer means any person who imports any tobacco product that is intended for sale or distribution to consumers in the United States"
Net, their own verbiage indicates that if I have bought something from overseas at a personal use quantity, I shouldn't fall under the category of either manufacturer or distributor from an Importer perspective, and since the products are not actually illegal to own or use in the US, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
Ahem. See zoiD's post above.
Personal Use
The FD&C Act does not exempt tobacco products imported for personal use from applicable requirements for tobacco product imports.
My Eyes are getting Tired. I thought you said they Would be Illegal.
What you said is Absolutely Correct.
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Vape products are not deemed as "vape products", they are deemed as "tobacco products".
There are laws and restrictions on the importation of tobacco products into the USA.
You/we call it vape, they call it tobacco.
Just a thought has anyone thought that a vape mod device could just become a modern hand held soldering iron with a detachable iron bit that just so happens to use a 510 connection?
All I see is that it must conform to the packaging and warning labels. Like the silly warning on spare glass that states this product contains nicotine when it fact it does not. This has been done since Aug 8, 2016 or was it a bit later? I didn't see anything about needing to be PMTA submitted/approved.
I know. I don't think it's fair that the FDA does have authority to call glass, o-rings, wire, batteries, etc as tobacco products. But they do. But only because this is sold as the intended use. But the exact same hardware also becomes not a tobacco product if the intended use is for say CBD e-liquid.
Now by the same FDA rules, shouldn't any products marketed for cigarettes after Feb 15, 2007 also be subject to the PMTA, like cigarette lighters, ashtrays, etc?
The way I see it, a vape device is basically a highly customizable cigarette lighter. Prove me wrong
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Fascinating, but then again I should not have expected the FDA to be internally consistent [emoji3]
The Customs and Border Protection site likewise seems oriented towards rules on non-personal (commercial) imports of tobacco products.
I suspect this is another cohesive, whole government, coordinated approach (Keystone Cops).
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Yeah... No Problem.
But make sure to Submit the "FDA Produce Code" and the "Intended Use Code" correctly in the FDA's Automated Commercial Environment (ACE).
Because it is a PITA to have to submit them thru Snail Mail.
LOL
I'd like to send in a PMTA application with a four letter word and a three letter word written in crayon over every page.
The way I see it, a vape device is basically a highly customizable electronic cigarette lighter. Prove me wrong
I had once of those I think a long time ago. It was a Mini Micro device about the size of a BIC. It was wind protected too iirc.
I had once of those I think a long time ago. It was a Mini Micro device about the size of a BIC. It was wind protected too iirc.
Exactly, except this, equipped with a single 21700 would last you forever
Put this little M4 RDA even on a 450mAh ego battery and it's just a rechargeable lighter.
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